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Old 11/12/14, 06:36 PM
 
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Potatoes bruise for a reason. If they aren't affected by things that cause the bruising anymore, how does this affect digestibility, cooking times, etc?
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Old 11/12/14, 06:39 PM
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Should help cooking but I cut out all those bruises anyway, so now I will have More Potato to eat, less waste in the garbage.
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Crazyfarm, unfortunately the purple goes out of them when you boil them. I grew some and was so excited to have purple mash myself... what a let down!

Note that humans bruise for a reason too. We developed the NSAIDs (ibuprofen/acetaminophen/salicylates) to damp down that pathway. Turned out that inflammation isn't actually that useful these days, and actually inhibits healing in a sanitary environment.

Evolution has saddled us with many ancient subsystems of little value in the modern world. Potatoes are alive when stored and running an active metabolism (unlike seeds or spores) - a bruise is a response to damage in an attempt to keep the potato from being destroyed by bacteria (much like inflammation in humans)

However, the potato is now stored under controlled conditions and doesn't have to worry about living through the winter in the damp earth. So - the potato's primitive immune response is no longer relevant, even to the potato. If potatoes had sexual selection like animals (a bit of a stretch) a beautiful, smooth-skinned potato with no inflammatory response would likely come to dominate this ecosystem. However, potatoes cannot choose to improve themselves, so we have to do it for them. This trait would be very hard to breed out, which is why genetic engineering was invented!

Basically this process is like breeding albino rabbits (where the melanin gene is knocked out) but without the rapid birth rate and obvious visual cues.
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A lot of facts out here that are not really facts.

GMO has been around for almost 30 years. There are tons of studies that have been done. Both by private agencies and by foreign governments. None have found any issues with GMO.
They can be found here http://www.geneticliteracyproject.or...pub-list-1.xls

Rodale may have found organic to be just as good or better than gmo but stand back and take a look at what there main push is and why they might be more inclined to find in favor of organic...
A recent study favors gm crop yeilds by over 20%
http://acsh.org/2014/11/meta-analysi...se-37-percent/

Monsanto has never sued a farmer over trace amounts of seeds or patented traits.

Weeds have evolved resistance to 22 of the 25 known herbicide sites of action and to 155 different herbicides. Herbicide resistant weeds have been reported in 84 crops in 65 countries. Resistance to glyphosate is not surprising or something new in the weed world.

Every major scientific regulatory oversight body in the world, including the National Academies of Science and the Food and Drug Administration in the United States.
Biology Fortified, a website devoted to plant genetics and sustainable agriculture, has posted more than 600 studies on its GENERA database—more than one-third of which were conducted by independent scientists who receive no funding from the industry—and none of the studies links GM corn to allergies.

It's time to stop using the same old tired out and wrong "facts".
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Third paragraph down disagrees with your assertion that Monsanto does not sue farmers.
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-patents-sue-farmers-547/
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Old 11/12/14, 11:24 PM
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Never said they don't sue, just not over trace amounts.
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Sammyd,
According to the Monsanto website, GMOs are perfectly safe.
Wait a minute, didn't Monsanto say Agent Orange was safe for American troops? Guess I won't take Monsanto's word for it.
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Old 11/12/14, 11:31 PM
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I. believe that agent orange itself was ok but a dioxin induced during a manufacturing process was an issue. The govt was warned and chose to disregard that warning.
Again another worn out false "fact".
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Sammyd,
Ask Percy Schmeiser about Monsanto lawsuits. Ask him about cross contamination.
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Trying to promote and protect their product is one thing. Trying to intimidate a farmer and his wife, using fraud and thugs to get Mr. Schmeiser to back off proves Monsanto has something to hide.
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Old 11/12/14, 11:58 PM
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Percy is a fraud and a shyster. 3 different courts have found against him.
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And OJ was found innocent. That doesn't prove anything. Regardless of the safety of GMOs, farmers should have the right to grow what they want. Consumers have a right to consume what they want. If GMOs are safe, then it shouldn't be any problem for companies to label their product as containing GMOs. Why does Monsanto find it necessary to have their own police force? What are they hiding? Why do they intentionally intimidate farmers?
I don't believe that Percy is a fraud. There are other farmers who have been through the same battle with Monsanto. Why does Monsanto insist on a gag order when they settle out of court with a farmer they have sued? It all definitely smells bad.
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You think Agent Orange is okay? I have a few buddies (or their widows) who would disagree with that.
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Yes agent orange itself was not the culprit. There was a problem in the manufacturing process of the stuff that was used in Nam. The govt was warned that there could be issues but they used it anyway. Not Monsantos fault.
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Sure and part of what was in agent orange is still on the market. I use it every few years you can buy a jug at any farm store. Great Weed and Brush Killer~!
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According to the Monsanto website, GMOs are perfectly safe.
Wait a minute, didn't Monsanto say Agent Orange was safe for American troops? Guess I won't take Monsanto's word for it.
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NO THEY DIDNT"T!!! They along with the other manufacturers warned the US Government about the problems with the formula.
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Potatoes bruise for a reason. If they aren't affected by things that cause the bruising anymore, how does this affect digestibility, cooking times, etc?
Gee, what causes bruising anyway?

Seems like our harvesting engineers and our bioengineers could get together, huh?

As I read it, the modified potato will still bruise and get damaged, but it just won't show it....Hmmm, sort of like a football player's concussion...... The bruise and damage will still be there, just won't turn brown and black any more. If there are any harmful effects from the bruise(bacterial or fungal entry, necrosis-dead cells, water losses), then they would be passed on into the fries or chips. MacDonald's, are you listening?

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I don't believe that Percy is a fraud. There are other farmers who have been through the same battle with Monsanto. Why does Monsanto insist on a gag order when they settle out of court with a farmer they have sued? It all definitely smells bad.
Being an hour down the road from Shmeiser, and having relatives who know him well, I can tell you for a fact that he is about as reputable as a rotten chopping block.

Percy was KNOWINGLY reproducing canola seed that he KNEW had the rr gene.

The above information was not paid for by Monsanto.

Regardless, lets talk taters. Because I am not a tater grower, I do not argue for or against. I simply do not know enough about commercial potatoes to know whether the technology is needed or desired by producers, or if it is necessary for them to do a good job farming. We should all do the same, IMO. Unless we have strong scientific basis in the potato breeding field, or unless we grow the crop commercially, or otherwise have strong enough knowledge in this particular field of farming, IMO, we should let the farmers who grow these taters speak up. They would be the ones I would think are trustworthy. Like everything else, some will be pro, some will be con. But rather than rely on dubious data, and anti everything websites, we should let the folks who grow the things speak up.

Anything less is a knee jerk, panic attack reaction.
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Old 11/13/14, 09:58 AM
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In buying food LOOKS Means Everything to people even if some little bruise is still there but don't SHOW, that is whats important. Micky D's are you listening?
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Crazyfarm, unfortunately the purple goes out of them when you boil them. I grew some and was so excited to have purple mash myself... what a let down!
Well that's just depressing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's the point in growing them then? Do they have a different flavor??
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