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Old 04/22/14, 06:53 AM
 
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for the line markers leave them in place and dig a hole around them fill with sackcrete and add water. if you need to locate and the are covered with grass or leaves a 2' rock is much easier to locate than a 1" pipe.
adverse possession only works if they possess it for whatever period of time and they know it isnt theirs and you dont know it or dont dispute it/

iow if a fence is 20' over the actual line for ears and no one knows where the line is until it is surveyed it is not adverse possession
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Old 04/22/14, 09:53 AM
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One more time, be carefull. You are getting some bad advice here that could put you on the loosing side of a lawsuit.

Leave their stuff alone.
Read your title report and all referenced documents. They may have legal permission for some or all of the presumed encroachments..
Know for a fact how long their stuff has been there. Time is the key.
Talk to a surveyor and/or a lawyer.
Then decide what to do.
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Old 04/22/14, 10:10 AM
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Myself, I'd cut the wire and hook it to my TV and tell them thanks for the new dish
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Rock's opening statement that they "just bought place" . . .

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Carefull, their stuff may well have a legal right to be there. Be sure of the adverse posession and prescriptive easemsnt laws where you are. Your surveyor should know.
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would seem to indicate that the adverse possession claim is moot. However when trying to read between the lines . . . time with Rock can be relative. It could be 3 months or 3 or more years . . . we really have no way of knowing until Rock clues us in with additional information. All we know for now, is that they come out on weekends and that he spoke to them two weeks ago about the trespassing fixtures.
I would be MORE concerned with the driveway easement ACROSS HIS PROPERTY,
that he apparently has allowed them (and it appears possibly previous neighbors to that property)
to use freely. This issue needs to be addressed immediately.
I would recommend contacting a lawyer who is well versed in these matters to get it resolved.

Under Missouri law, each case of adverse possession must be decided in light of its own unique circumstances. The essential element of adverse possession is that the individual claiming title to the
real property by adverse possession must occupy the particular piece of property intending to possess
the property as their own. Such adversity is shown by satisfying the five elements of adverse possession.

Actual Possession:
The first element is actual possession. If an individual is occupying land without an alleged ownership interest, the individual must show physical possession of the entire area that is being claimed. Physical possession is shown by clearing, cultivating, pasturing, erecting fences or other improvements, and paying taxes on the land. Doing all or any combination of these, serves as evidence of actual possession.

Possession is Hostile or Under Claim of Right:
The second element to establish adverse possession is that the possession be
hostile or under a claim of right. Thus, the individual must occupy the land with
the intent to possess it as his own and not in subservience to a recognized
superior claim of another.

Possession Must Be Open and Notorious:
The third element is that the possession must be open and notorious.
That is, that the possession was conspicuous, widely recognized and commonly known.
Actual knowledge need not be proven; however, it must be shown that the occupancy was
so obvious and well-recognized that the actual owner will be presumed to have had such knowledge.

Exclusivity of Possession:
The fourth element is exclusivity of possession, which means that the
individuals are occupying the land for their own use and not for another.

Continuous Occupancy for Period of 10 Years:
The final element is that the occupancy be continuous for a period of 10 years.
In order to reach this continuous 10-year period, tacking of possession by
previous owners is allowed. Of all the above elements, the most difficult to
prove is actual possession. In order to gain title by adverse possession,
an individual must identify the land claimed in precise language so that the
boundaries may be recognized and/or determined by the court.
Moreover, merely putting up a fence may not be enough. An individual
occupying claimed land must do more than erect a fence. An individual
must take care of the land and use the land as any real owner would,
to the exclusion of all others.
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Old 04/22/14, 11:53 AM
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Good advice about adverse possession. I can take your brand new car that you paid for and if I keep it and openly use it and you don't ask for it back, guess what in 7 years it ain't yours no more, it is legally mine. The same holds true for land. How long has that trailer been sitting on your property. The way the law looks at it is after a period of time if they have used it and you done nothing, you must not be taking care of it anyway. As for the rode, most easements do not specify a certain place, it just grants access, so I have seen a case where instead of the strait route 1/4 mile across a field a person made the people drive all the way around one edge of the property. It is a long was around a couple hundred acres, but you are still granting them access, does not have to be the most direct route!!
Adverse possession only applies to real property (real estate) not vehicles or anything else.
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Since thy don't want the satellite dish and the end of their trailer repurpose it. The satellite dish can be used for a wok and the back end of their trailer could be used as a storage shed. Let them see you measuring it before you do anything and tell them what you have in mind. After all they know where the property line is because of the survey.
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Old 04/22/14, 01:38 PM
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Place where I bought logs last year lost about 3 acres to the state. The state asked if they could go across the edge of his property to access the woods on state land. He did not say no. They did and when he went to cut his timber the state came in and fined him for cutting their timber on the lane where they drove even though it was on his deeded land. They took ownership and he lost in court even with the old and new survey showing it was his land.
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Old 04/22/14, 01:45 PM
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I truly don't understand what they've done that annoys you so..
If I read correctly, you told them their things were over the property line..and so they paid out of their own pocket to have that verified by a surveyor...what's the beef? That they didn't take your word for it??
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Okay, the beef is that they have their stuff on his property. He had a survey done, he knows his property lines. People will not move their stuff off, just keep having surveys done hoping the next one will give them that ten feet that is not theirs.

If they have only been there a few weeks I don’t think adverse possession is in effect. Fence, fence, fence.
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Old 04/22/14, 03:54 PM
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I owned a land development and construction management consulting firm for about 25 years. Prior to retiring in 2011, I employed surveyors, engineers, attorneys, biologists, etc. so I have a wee bit of experience. I have had several projects that have lost land to fences, mowed lawns, woodsheds, houses, shops, chicken coops, and lots of driveways etc. Laws and circumstances vary case by case and state by state so the op needs to get some good advice from local professionals, not us.
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Old 04/22/14, 05:44 PM
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Okay, the beef is that they have their stuff on his property. He had a survey done, he knows his property lines. People will not move their stuff off, just keep having surveys done hoping the next one will give them that ten feet that is not theirs.

If they have only been there a few weeks I don’t think adverse possession is in effect. Fence, fence, fence.
I'm sorry..I guess I wasn't clear...I was asking the OP...
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How does all of this relate to hunting on some guys land - for instance - I have had permission to hunt a property for 20 years - the owner sells it to someone else - can the new owner keep me off the land?
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Joe, yes, a new owner can absolutely keep anyone off their property.
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Old 04/23/14, 01:47 PM
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Carefull, their stuff may well have a legal right to be there. Be sure of the adverse posession and prescriptive easemsnt laws where you are. Your surveyor should know.

Surveyor wouldn't get into it but my Lawyer told me to get a Fence up.

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Old 04/23/14, 02:02 PM
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Ok same people came to me last Fall before they bought the property. They have two Back Doors, one of them literally steps out on to my property.

They tried to get me to sell them another 30 feet. I told them NO! Several times, finally the Guy says Well your not using it. He got mad when my answer was still NO! This is a matter of them trying to get more property, no matter what.

They have only had it a few months no adverse possession.

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Surveyor wouldn't get into it but my Lawyer told me to get a Fence up.

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You paid a lawyer to tell you that? People have been telling you that here since you bought the place!
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How does all of this relate to hunting on some guys land - for instance - I have had permission to hunt a property for 20 years - the owner sells it to someone else - can the new owner keep me off the land?
Yes, the new owner can keep you off his property. The only times that isn't the case is for legally recorded easements (roads, gas and power lines, etc) or perhaps a road/access that's been used for an extended period of time but never formally documented. That though would depend heavily on the facts and the state by state laws. For things like hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, farming, etc the owner only grants permission for as long as the property is owned by him. If there are exceptions to this rule, I've never seen them.
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Old 04/23/14, 02:33 PM
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Ok same people came to me last Fall before they bought the property. They have two Back Doors, one of them literally steps out on to my property.

They tried to get me to sell them another 30 feet. I told them NO! Several times, finally the Guy says Well your not using it. He got mad when my answer was still NO! This is a matter of them trying to get more property, no matter what.

They have only had it a few months no adverse possession.

big rockpile

Ah..now it's more clear as to why you're upset with them..thanks for explaining..
It's been my experience that the only way to deal with people with that kind of "me" mentality is to be 100% certain of your legal rights and take immediate action to preserve your property...if we lived closer, we'd be there helping you put up a fence
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Old 04/23/14, 10:03 PM
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How does all of this relate to hunting on some guys land - for instance - I have had permission to hunt a property for 20 years - the owner sells it to someone else - can the new owner keep me off the land?

Absolutely. You would be considered a guest of the original owner but the new owner has no obligation to allow you access.
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Absolutely. You would be considered a guest of the original owner but the new owner has no obligation to allow you access.
Unless you have a lease but that would show up in the deed.
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