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03/26/14, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by painterswife
Plus you can't really grow and raise everything you need to survive on three acres.
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Especially in Wyoming. The jack rabbits can't even live on 3 acres. That's why they have 10-30 cows.
But in many other areas, 3 acres would provide a lot of food and plenty of variety.
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03/26/14, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Patchouli
Sounds like Brighton needs adopt you and then you can inherit the family farm. Win-win for both of you.  Seriously our oldest plans to take this place when we are gone but of none of ours were going to I would adopt a family to take it rather than have it sold off to goodness only knows who.
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As much as I would like to adopt Ernie and his strong work ethic and large family, it can't happen that way, due to a "Family Trust" on the land, I have one niece and three cousins who are much younger than me (who also only have girl children) who will manage the place once I am gone, but it can't be left to or sold to anyone outside the "family".
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03/26/14, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jbo9
Especially in Wyoming. The jack rabbits can't even live on 3 acres. That's why they have 10-30 cows.
But in many other areas, 3 acres would provide a lot of food and plenty of variety.
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Food, but you also need clothes, housing, money for taxes, food for any animals you might raise,, electricity to run the well. If you can't get everything you need off of your 3 acres then you have to look elsewhere. Is that not the whole reason our society has progressed to the model we have now.
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03/26/14, 05:01 PM
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Electricity for running the well? There's one thing Wyoming is good at, wind. And outside of Wyoming, there are things called trees, good for building and burning for heat. As for clothing, well, those sheep are good for something else...
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03/26/14, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jbo9
Electricity for running the well? There's one thing Wyoming is good at, wind. And outside of thWyoming, there are things called trees, good for building and burning for heat. As for clothing, well, those sheep are good for something else...
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You are saying that you get everything you need to live on just three acres everywhere but Wyoming?
That means no hunting off your property, no water from ditches or community water systems, no livestock other than what you can feed from that three acres.
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03/26/14, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by painterswife
You are saying that you get everything you need to live on just three acres everywhere but Wyoming?
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No, not really, that's not what I'm saying. I am saying that people have to be willing to think outside the box when it comes to what they ought to grow in order to provide a bulk of their resources. Can three acres of sagebrush flats or wheat ground provide everything needed for a family to live? As three acres of wheat ground, no. As three acres of garden and orchard intensely managed? It would provide more than what is usually expected.
I think the restriction of 3 acres is ridiculous. Just as I think the caricature of big ag is ridiculous.
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03/26/14, 05:33 PM
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My DD's college roommate lived on a ranch in north TX. They ran 1 cow/calf pair per section or more. 3 acres there won't grow any thing but maybe a passing jackrabbit. There is a huge difference in what land can produce.
I can't help but wonder why some people think all science is wrong, but any wacky idea some unqualified, uneducated, or just uninformed person puts on the internet is the gospel truth, especially if it agrees with them. It would be a real good idea for some of you to do some real research into farming and the farm economy, and the economy in general. Many Americans have absolutely no idea how the farm economy really works. It may sound great to say everyone or every family should grow their own food on their own 3 acres, but it wound not work even if every one had thee acres. It may seem like a good idea to say everyone should pay an organic farmer for their food, but many, many people simply could not afford to do that, even if they wanted to.
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03/26/14, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jbo9
Especially in Wyoming. The jack rabbits can't even live on 3 acres. That's why they have 10-30 cows.
But in many other areas, 3 acres would provide a lot of food and plenty of variety.
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There is a very large area of WY (and most of the country as well) that will not support 10-30 cows/ per acre or 3 acres.
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03/26/14, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Molly Mckee
There is a very large area of WY (and most of the country as well) that will not support 10-30 cows/ per acre or 3 acres.
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You misunderstood what I meant by a 10-30 cow. 10 foot wide mouth moving 30 miles per hour.
I lived in Wyoming and understand stocking rates well enough.
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03/26/14, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley
You no more know what I buy at the grocery store than you know what I raise, kill, cook and serve at my table. Nice try - I am sure you want to believe that I buy Duke's mayo by the case and wash it down with Twinkies - but you would be very, very mistaken. You have no clue that I buy my kids clothes half price on Wednesdays at the Salvation Army store so I can spend 3x as much on soy free chicken feed as you do at the local Tractor Supply.
Do not ASSume you know anything about me - other than I *AM* vocal - especially when I am busting my hump to keep my kids alive from the ignorant masses who so freely poison their world because they are too lazy to do it the right way. I've about had it with obese "farmers" hoisting their butts up into a billion dollar piece of machinery and covering every square mile of this country with chemicals then want to pat me on the head with some "there-there little lady" just because my grandfather wasn't in bed with Big Ag for 40 years.
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Nor do I care. I do hope you feel better now!!!!
I did not assume anything, I have been here long enough to have read many of your rants. I have read where you have gotten tired of it all and went and bought something, making a comment of you can't keep it up, sometimes you just have to let down and buy things you don't like to. As far as assume, right back at you, I do not have any idea where a Tractor Supply is. We have only bought whole oats from a farmer I have known for many years since 1994.
I used to admire what you are trying to do but your blindness to those things and your rants has turned me off that. I do however agree in principle that less chemicals are a good thing, overall. Your kids are lucky that they have a very caring Mom and want to make their lives better.
I did farm for years, was even poisoned 1 time by an insecticide used by government workers, in my wheat bins, because they said there were bugs in there. After all it was their wheat, I just got paid to store and deliver it. Also all the years I farmed, I never took a payment or used any of their programs. I had no dealings with any farm program, except for farm storage as there was not enough in my area. In the 80's and 90's the government bought up the "oversupply", we delivered on their schedule. I was very sick for months, finding out later that the insecticide was not labeled for that use. I did not even go into the bin, the wind was blowing a little as I loaded the truck. I used less spray and commercial products than most farmers around me. I never grew any roundup ready crops and wouldn't, if I was still farming. We don't grow grain corn or soybeans here, and I do not buy any or use any. I used crop rotation and animal manures when I was farming, as much as possible. The only grain we buy is the whole oats. I did use roundup on the farm for weed control and burn down, not on food crops. And I do use roundup on my properties but not near any edible foods, just the way I am.
I am totally behind organic and the use of non GMO. I think this world would be better off with less chemical, I know I am. BUT not all chemicals are as bad as some (and you) want to make of them. I am glad to see more and more people wanting less chemicals and know this will increase the need for people to grow them and make those products grown and made, easier for those that want to obtain them. BUT I do not think a few should make all do what they want just by being more vocal. You want your freedom from government but want the government to do as you want. Such as labeling, organic is organic, anything else isn't. These are the concepts of a liberal....James
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03/26/14, 06:43 PM
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I would like to point out that chemicals are expensive and the first person to minimize the amount he uses is going to be the farmer--as long as what he uses does the job. The fact is that it is cheaper to spray than drive over the field over and over again. It also causes less compaction, and the more you disturb the soil, the more likely it is to move in a wind storm and blow away.
It is not easy to make money on a farm, it's hard work, long hours, and although you may handle lots of money, what matters in the end is what is left when all the bills are paid. Given the value of the land and equipment, many farmers could do better financially if they sold out, invested their money and got a 40 hour a week job. They farm because they love the life.
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