FDA regulating feed

KIT.S wrote, " it looks as though each location would be required to dry their own brewer's grain if they were to sell/give it to farmers to feed animals."

I must have missed that part. Can you tell me where in the proposed FDA regulation that drying is a requirement?

You won, you won!!!!!!
The regulation that wasn't in the regulation has been struck down. Thank you all that wrote Washington, demanding that FDA not implement a regulation that they were not seeking to implement. Big win for the little guy! We have the power.

I think I heard the FDA is banning all eggs produced from chickens that eat insects, worms or peck cow dung. This it an outrageous attack on small farms, no doubt funded by the American Egg Board, a group of factory, corporate, rich poultry growers. Please, everyone write your Congressman and I'm taking donations for a Legal Defense Fund. Act now before they take all your freedoms. But maybe that was just a rumor that somehow took off.

Dude...you need help. You might want to consider some sort of hobby...knitting perhaps.

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Again, nothing about drying or packaging. Possible testing, training and paperwork.
Here is the latest report:

The Associated Press
Anchorage Daily News
April 24, 2014


MILWAUKEE - The federal government is backing off proposed regulations that brewers say would add to their costs without improving the safety of grain used to feed livestock.

Many beer makers sell or give grain leftover from the brewing process to farmers, who use it as feed for dairy cows and other animals.

The grain would be affected by new food safety rules being developed under the 2011 Food Safety Modernization Act.

U.S. Food and Drug Administration spokesman Dr. Dan McChesney says livestock feed is generally safe, but the agency wants to ensure brewers' grain is handled properly during the transfer from breweries to farms.

Brewers have worried the rule would add costs for testing, training and paperwork.

McChesney says the agency will take another look at the rule and clarify it.


Source:
http://www.adn.com/2014/04/24/3439926/fda-backs-off-animal-feed-rule.html

Haypoint, you and I must read that short press release 180 degrees apart, because it sounds very sinister to me. And you seem to think it is of no concern at all.

I read it to say they want to add layers of regulation, paperwork, and expense to a process that isn't causing any real problems at all.

What the heck is the point then, why add the costs and paperwork and regulations?

Anyhow, this stuff can be damp, and it can mold if it is left laying around, it can mold kinda fast if it is a hot summer time.

I think most folks feeding livestock already have the experience to deal with that issue and this is a regulation looking for a place to wedge in and cost people money for no good reason.

It is pointless. And expensive.

And nothing was won yet, they are simply going to re write the rules in a different way, but same old paperwork, cost, imposition. Still for no reason, as the official says themselves that there is no problem here, we just want to be a bigger govt agency with more power......

What part of this is needed or good for anyone? It is simply more paperwork to make things cost more.

Paul

Yes, Rambler, we do. I want the guy on the back dock of the brewery to have a basic understanding of feed contamination. Perhaps pull a sample once in awhile. Keep a notebook that shows how long it sat around before Farmer Bob picked it up. Proper handling seems to me to be a goal everyone should be striving for.
I see the testing, training and bookwork as being minor. perhaps you see a full time Accountant, Associates Degree in Back Dock Grain Handling, and a Testing Laboratory.

Let's say they do nothing. I suspect, eventually, there will be some sick pigs from moldy mishandled Brewers grains. The government agency assigned the duty to protect the food and feed has to explain how they let this happen. Reaction is no way to insure confidence. But, a proactive approach is often a hard sell.

You see a power grab. But I only see the added responsibility of inspections.
But it was the brewers themselves that raised the testing, training, bookwork concerns.
Both of us can gnash our teeth, but we'll have no impact on the end result. You fear the worst. I expect better. Just have to wait and see.

"Let's say they do nothing. I suspect, eventually, there will be some sick pigs from moldy mishandled Brewers grains. The government agency assigned the duty to protect the food and feed.."

I kinda am so what about this statement(not the snarky kind but the shrugging of the shoulders one)...If I buy feed that kills my pigs or makes them sick..well I won't buy it again. End of story. If the pigs die it comes out of my profit hurts no one else.

So what am I missing?

For some time now, the American public doesn't share your "Buyer beware" attitude. If it were that way, I'd be right there with you. Last year, the government discovered salmonella in dog food and there was a big recall. Diamond Brand, I think. Government checks stuff like that. Melamine in pet food from China skewed the test for protein amount. Folks wanted that stopped. Cattle feed is routinely tested and safety procedures are in place for companies that make it. Heck, even your lawn seed is inspected for purity and germination.
Doesn't sound like Brewer's Spent Grains is much of a concern and as such, I doubt there'll be many requirements, beyond record keeping.

It has been a long time since the US has had any mass poisonings of animals or humans. Maybe we are real lucky. Maybe because there are safety nets in the way of standards of production, testing and independent inspection. Far from perfect, but generally a big improvement over a hundred years ago or Third World Countries.

This spent brewer's grain would make an awesome compost. Any farmer or even pastoralist would love to be able to spread around the compost derived from spent malt. If you could pick it up for free, or even negotiate a minimal price for it, or maybe even have already done so, then deliver it to your farm and put it out to compost, that would be a great benefit. If your pigs, pets or poultry accidentally got access to the compost heaps... well, it wouldn't really do the process any harm. The composting would just be delayed a day or so, occur a little more indirectly, and you'd then be composting pig, pet or poultry poop. Therefore, you could attest with perfect truthfulness that you were taking the spent malt for the purpose of composting it. Tell the truth, and nothing but the truth (but complete fine detail is not necessary).

Haypoint, the "American Public" doesn't all go for your "Government is Good and Must Nanny Everything" attitude either. The American Public is a diverse lot of people. You seem to think everything government does is good. Others of us look at it and see the same thing very differently. You have a nasty tendency to belittle people over your views. You do not need to bully so much. In fact, you don't need to bully at all. Take a deep breath.

Wogglebug, yes, the spent brewer's mash composts nicely. Occasionally in the heat of summer we'll get a little mold on some and put it to compost. Makes great rich soil. Worms love it too. However, you don't want to leave it up on the surface in large amounts or it will get to stinking in hot weather. It needs to be mixed in with carbon to properly compost. I did get your point though.

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I wonder how long until my 30$ round bale of hay for the horse turns into a 100$ government inspected and certified "safe" roundbale

Yes this feed should be inspected. The public wants it and is behind things like this to make sure what they buy is and has been inspected for them to consume.

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I'm part of the public and I don't want it. Why are you speaking for me?

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