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03/17/14, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by am1too
I've no problem with changing and enforcing laws. I do think the new tenant has acted correctly. I don't think it changes the problem of pathogens. The new tenant should move.
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You keep bring up pathogens, Well lets just see how many PPM there are when "just caught by the wind", vs those pathogens PPM's when the chickens are right out the front door. A World of difference, sure a few PPM may get caught up in the wind and Blow directly into the neighbors direction but that wind has to be directional at best even for that to happen. but they are so diluted I am sure that is not going to be a problem. But the counts PPM at such a close up as right outside the window IS a big difference. PPM=Parts Per Million
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03/17/14, 11:40 AM
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Why do the chickens cross the road?
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03/17/14, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Oggie
Why do the chickens cross the road?
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To infect the world with their pathogens!
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03/17/14, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by arabian knight
You keep bring up pathogens, Well lets just see how many PPM there are when "just caught by the wind", vs those pathogens PPM's when the chickens are right out the front door. A World of difference, sure a few PPM may get caught up in the wind and Blow directly into the neighbors direction but that wind has to be directional at best even for that to happen. but they are so diluted I am sure that is not going to be a problem. But the counts PPM at such a close up as right outside the window IS a big difference. PPM=Parts Per Million
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It only takes one live pathogen.
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03/17/14, 11:52 AM
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Location: Dwelling in the state of Confusion - but just passing thru...
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You can 'wonder' about it all you want . . .
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Originally Posted by am1too
Wonder if the new tenant has a cat or dog.
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Until their animal comes across the road and trepasses
on the o.p. property, it is irrelevant to this scenerio.
Gee . . . I wonder if they have flying pigs too . . .?
Sorry Darren.
(which might be more of a worry)
But thanks for the red herring . . . .
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03/17/14, 11:53 AM
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Sock puppet reinstated
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Originally Posted by Oggie
Why do the chickens cross the road?
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I thought they were trying to get away from the cats.
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03/17/14, 12:40 PM
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Such a interesting conversations. New neighbors moved in up the road from me--raises and trains large dogs, they bark ALL the time. Another neighbor has several little dog that chase my horses at midnight! The first one, as much as I hate it-is not my business. Having to run dogs off at midnight is! My Land--My Rules! Simple
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03/17/14, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by am1too
I'm all for reasonable. Perfect is nigh impossible as you say. Thus if I spend the thousand to help you keep your minimum wage job and my chickens get out the problem still exists. The real issue isn't where the chickens are its the pathogens. Those pathogens will cross the road whether the chickens do or not. Once is all it takes. The newbie should move.
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Evidently you don't want to even try to get along with your neighbors.
It is not a matter of who was there first, like grade school or kindergarten. It is about respecting rights and properties of others.
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03/17/14, 01:20 PM
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Why do the chickens cross the road?
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To show Possums that it can be done.
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03/17/14, 01:24 PM
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am1too, FYI, I think you chose a great name for yourself and I happen to agree.
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03/17/14, 01:56 PM
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Ok I have Chickens and Dogs. They stay on my property and out of my Garden. Now if neighbors Chickens or Dogs get in my Garden I'm suing for damages which I have done before and won.
But I also had people shoot my Dogs that were running because my neighbor turned them out while I was gone. I sued the Guys that shot my Dogs and won this case too.
Either way keep your animals on your property.
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03/17/14, 02:01 PM
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de oppresso liber
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Originally Posted by am1too
I've not found a solution to 100% control of any animal. My brother had a cocker spaniel that could jump a 6 ft fence. My dogs will actually climb a wire fence. They've also been known to break or slip a collar.
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As I have said before my wife thinks I have a problem because my first answer for almost every critter problem is the same; electric fence.
I can promise you if he put a couple of hot wires around the fence your brother's dog would stay at home. Anything that can teach a bull to stay on his side of a fence will keep a dog on his.
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03/17/14, 03:28 PM
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Sorry, but I feel like you need to keep your chickens off other people's property. What if it was the renter's dog coming over and doing his business on your yard. Kind of the same thing.....
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03/17/14, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Oggie
Why do the chickens cross the road?
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To get to the other side?
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03/17/14, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by VERN in IL
Because all land is owned by the Government. This is a civil dispute that needs taken to court! OP should not have to fence in domesticated wildlife. That's like someone suing a landowner because a deer jump out in front of their car...
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You're joking, right? I guess you're OK with letting dogs roam free, poop on your land, eat your livestock, and bite your children? They are domesticated wildlife and all those behaviors are perfectly normal.
You would be OK with letting your neighbor's cattle graze on your land even if that severely limits the grazing space your domesticated wildlife have?
When did it become acceptable to do things just to spite somebody else? OP has no control over property that doesn't belong to him. If he wanted to maintain control the land should not have been sold. When we sell property all bets are off.
I would be ticked as all get out if somebody let their animals roam on my land. My flower garden means a lot to me and I have a small fortune in it.
I am glad OP is not my neighbor.
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03/17/14, 04:11 PM
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Looks like the Old Country Boy has done a runner and left am1too high and dry after taking up the OP's cause.
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03/17/14, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Oggie
Why do the chickens cross the road?
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...........Maybe the owner has a gay rooster lacking enough Doodle Do
for the ladies ! , lol , fordy
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03/17/14, 05:52 PM
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More dharma, less drama.
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Most of the pathogens are not airborne. They are in the poop, which is tracked around after the chicken poops on the neighbor's place.
Bringing up the pathogens was a red herring.
Keep the chickens on the owner's land. Simple.
Or make chicken soup.
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03/17/14, 07:45 PM
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Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian
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Location: Southern Illinois
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Originally Posted by Joshie
You're joking, right? I guess you're OK with letting dogs roam free, poop on your land, eat your livestock, and bite your children? They are domesticated wildlife and all those behaviors are perfectly normal.
You would be OK with letting your neighbor's cattle graze on your land even if that severely limits the grazing space your domesticated wildlife have?
When did it become acceptable to do things just to spite somebody else? OP has no control over property that doesn't belong to him. If he wanted to maintain control the land should not have been sold. When we sell property all bets are off.
I would be ticked as all get out if somebody let their animals roam on my land. My flower garden means a lot to me and I have a small fortune in it.
I am glad OP is not my neighbor.
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See folks, here is the thing you got to understand, city folks never figure it out. If you don't have it fenced in, locked behind gate, it is public access. My neighbors chickens love to pick n' scratch in my yard, so I put a fence around my Garden where I don't want them. I don't mind the neighbors cow which is in pastures by my property, sometimes the fence breaks and they get out. That is part of life.
Out here in the country, we have fences where they are needed. If you don't have a fence, then expect anything to come in, and out. That is part of reality city dwellers forget, because they have been so removed from the land, and disconnected with nature. A chicken in the flower bed is no reason to bring out the 12 gauge! Our neighbor dogs run free, never ate our other neighbors livestock(seriously dogs?) and we teach our children how to deal with strange dogs, so they don't get bitten.
So Joshie, if I so happen to have a "free range rabid abused dog that has gone schizo to eat my neighbors cows and chase children around trying to bite them" I would put it down.
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03/17/14, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VERN in IL
Out here in the country, we have fences where they are needed. If you don't have a fence, then expect anything to come in, and out. That is part of reality city dwellers forget, because they have been so removed from the land, and disconnected with nature. A chicken in the flower bed is no reason to bring out the 12 gauge! Our neighbor dogs run free, never ate our other neighbors livestock(seriously dogs?) and we teach our children how to deal with strange dogs, so they don't get bitten.
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I am glad I live in another part of Illinois than you do, here we put up fences to keep our livestock from being a nuisance to others!! And to keep them safe from coyotes and such, my chickens have a fenced acre to range in, rarely if ever to they fly the fence and the fence is only 4' high. Oddly, this has worked for 6 generations here on this old farm, it is a wonder isn't it?? We also keep our dogs with the livestock, not just roaming around the section!!
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