Lost a little bit more of my freedom today.

Originally Posted by am1too

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Originally Posted by where I want to

I did not think about open range. It's so rare these days but open range means you must fence animals out and enclosure means you must fence animals in. There are some open range lands south of me.
So it depends on which the OP has what the legal requirement is. But it is not for an individual to unilaterally decide.

Originally Posted by am1too

The blue bolded is the key. The issue is caused by someone moving to an existing situation. The solution is moving away from the existing situation.

Originally Posted by am1too

Wonder if the new tenant has a cat or dog.

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Yes this is Not a Open Range issue. .

Originally Posted by Patchouli

First all they are asking is that the OP do what is his basic responsibility as a neighbor and that is keep his livestock on his property. The person who moved there has a perfect right to expect that. You don't have to put up with everything your new neighbors do if it is illegal, immoral or flat wrong.
I have no idea what you mean by it being his boss' problem or it costing thousands of dollars to remedy. Chicken wire is pretty cheap and it's not that hard to make a portable pen either.
Have you ever heard the old adage good fences make good neighbors? That is exactly what the vast majority of us are saying here.

Originally Posted by where I want to

Of couse they do. If that was right, you'd still be running pigs in downtown New York.
When I bought my place the neighbor had been using it as if it was his. But just because he took advantage of an absent owner did not mean he had acquired the right to do whatever he wanted.

Originally Posted by painterswife

I guess that means if you move to a property and find out that your neighbor has been using it for years to bury the bodies of his enemies, you must let him continue.

Originally Posted by am1too

Yeah there are lawsuits and complaints against farms all the time because city people move to the country and think the rules are the same. Harassment continues till the harassed sells for more McMansions and moves. We live in a neat society these days.

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Yes this is Not a Open Range issue. It is just a person that wants to have free Range Chickens. But THAT then comes with Responsibility of KEEPING then Inside their OWN Property lines. What is so hard to understand? We are not talking about some Open Range which applies to basically cattle. As I lived in AZ myself for a time and saw a lot of Open Range land. But this is NOT. This is a person keeping chickens that don't want to keep them in a chicken house, but rather have them out and running free AROUND their LAND. But should not allow them all over the neighborhood`!So what if a person moved across the street? That does not have anything to do with the chicken owner having the responsibility to keep the livestock on his or hers own side of the street.

Originally Posted by where I want to

I guess if you believe that being the earliest residence give you control over what laws apply, then there is no reason to debate futher. But if that philosopy were accepted, then no one but the first person to make a foot print in any area has any rights to property at all.

Originally Posted by Cookie2

While I like many of the responses above, I will point out that both parties are at fault. The chicken employee has a responsibility to rent a place where exposure to foreign chickens isn't a likely risk.

Case in point: We have people who moved into a rental house across the street from us. They have two dogs. They rented the house KNOWING that the landlord doesn't allow dogs inside the house and the house is on a busy street (logging trucks) and there is no fence. Their dogs now roam all over the neighborhood, stirring up trouble and are at risk of getting run over and killed. Whose fault is it? It isn't the landlords'! It is the stupid renters who didn't rent a place that is suitable to dog ownership.

Now chickens are really hard to keep penned up. Mine easily flew over a fence and sometimes had a mind to roam. I get that. I admit I tend to be an isolationist so it seems every property I own ends up with me installing a perimeter fence - mostly to keep my stuff in and other people's stuff out. But there are benefits to the country being wide and open, too. It would most definitely say it encroaches on my "little bit of freedom" if some newbie complains about my chickens existing, much less crowing. But to complain because they're coming into HIS yard? Well, that is legit.

Originally Posted by mmoetc

And what if they do as long as it is confined to their own property?

Originally Posted by LisaInN.Idaho

Correct. Both the OP and Am1too appear to be from Oklahoma, which is not an open range state.

Originally Posted by am1too

Oh yeah? Just let me move in next to you and not like something and sue.

Originally Posted by am1too

I'm also not arguing for the right of another to use someone else's property. Nor am I arguing for open range.

Originally Posted by mmoetc

A different issue. Most here would likely say that if you moved downwind of a CAFU you need to to learn to live with the smell. Most would also likely say that if the effluent pond overflowed and flooded your basement you would be entitled to relief.

Originally Posted by MDKatie

It's one thing if the new person complains about chickens on the chicken owner's property. It's totally out of line to expect the new person to accept chickens on HIS land (owned or rented). That is absolutely absurd.