Lost a little bit more of my freedom today.

am1too · #61 03/17/14, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

I think someone is confusing the term free range with open range. there is nothing illegal about free ranging chickens.... on your own property.

Excellent point!

am1too · #62 03/17/14, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rod44

Not only are you inconsiderate letting your animals go onto someone else's rented property, but you are terribly inconsiderate taking a chance with someone losing his job because your chickens are on his place which is contrary to his employment agreement. Not only that but the hundreds of thousands of dollars possibly at risk if your chickens should be responsible for spreading a disease through him to his employers chickens.

Apoligize to all concerned, take them a pie and be a good neighbor.

The person moved to a situation. The person should move away from the situation.

Then his boss should be willing to protect his company and help remedy the situation. This can be either by termination of the employee or helping to control those chickens. They however have no right to impose immediate action on some one else for a situation they came to. The wise thing for the employee is to move. But some here mandate another accommodate him by spending perhaps thousands or threaten the nutrition of another. Yes those chickens can be put in a cage. We're not only talking about the immediate confinement cost, but also the ongoing increased feed cost. The way I see life is I'm not required to finance one's job security. It is this kind of issue which forced me to eliminate a possible legal problem with a relatively good and close neighbor who wants me to buy sterile bagged fertilizer form wally world. I live on an acreage same as they do.

am1too · #63 03/17/14, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

AND keep your chickens home.

As much as reasonable. The problem is the offending pathogens will blow across the road. So the eventual solution is no chickens. The new comer should move or get a new job. Jobs at chicken houses don't pay well anyway.

am1too · #64 03/17/14, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by painterswife

Huey. Chickens are easy to fence in. You just have to want to respect your neighbors property rights whether they rent or own. They are not asking anyone to get rid of their chickens just keep them on their own property.

I have some neighbors that need to be penned who think they have a right to sell commercial access to my property while putting up no trespassing sign on land locked property lines. Truly amazing.

am1too · #65 03/17/14, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by painterswife

Huey. Chickens are easy to fence in. You just have to want to respect your neighbors property rights whether they rent or own. They are not asking anyone to get rid of their chickens just keep them on their own property.

The problem will require the removal of the chickens or the moving of the new comer to solve the issue in this case.

am1too · #66 03/17/14, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CountryWannabe

I have lived in "the country" for close to 25 years. I didn't like other peoples' animals on my property then, and I don't like it any better now. If it is accidental - no problem. I have returned my neighbors puppy a few times, and another neighbor has called me twice because my sheep were out of their fence (still on my property, but outside their pasture) that is reasonable and it is being neighborly. If I deliberately allowed my sheep to go onto my neighbors property, if I make no concerted effort to confine them to my own property, that would be negligent and irresponsible and very UN-neighborly, even if they WOULD help mow his lawn and fertilize it, too.

The tenant's conditions of employment have very little to do with this case. The problem is that the OPs hens are not being kept where they belong - where they would not be causing any problem at all.

You cannot force me to do anything you wish - but you sure should have the right to expect that neither I not my critters would be trespassing on your property.

Mary

Oh yeah? Just let me move in next to you and not like something and sue. This is America and what it has become. All I need is either an ignorant or very friendly judge. I win, you lose. Been there and the law doesn't matter cause its written right there in court at the trial.

DamnearaFarm · #67 03/17/14, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by am1too

The person moved to a situation. The person should move away from the situation.

Then his boss should be willing to protect his company and help remedy the situation. This can be either by termination of the employee or helping to control those chickens. They however have no right to impose immediate action on some one else for a situation they came to. The wise thing for the employee is to move. But some here mandate another accommodate him by spending perhaps thousands or threaten the nutrition of another. Yes those chickens can be put in a cage. We're not only talking about the immediate confinement cost, but also the ongoing increased feed cost. The way I see life is I'm not required to finance one's job security. It is this kind of issue which forced me to eliminate a possible legal problem with a relatively good and close neighbor who wants me to buy sterile bagged fertilizer form wally world. I live on an acreage same as they do.

Seriously?

Remove the newcomer from the situation. May not even exist, could be the neighbor's passive aggressive way of telling him to keep his birds at home.
OCB's chickens are NOT staying on his property.
They're his, they should.
If they don't, he should fence them in.
The neighboring property owner shouldn't have to deal with someone else's critters.

Period.

where I want to · #68 03/17/14, 10:16 AM

I did not think about open range. It's so rare these days but open range means you must fence animals out and enclosure means you must fence animals in. There are some open range lands south of me.
So it depends on which the OP has what the legal requirement is. But it is not for an individual to unilaterally decide.

Patchouli · #69 03/17/14, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by am1too

The person moved to a situation. The person should move away from the situation.

Then his boss should be willing to protect his company and help remedy the situation. This can be either by termination of the employee or helping to control those chickens. They however have no right to impose immediate action on some one else for a situation they came to. The wise thing for the employee is to move. But some here mandate another accommodate him by spending perhaps thousands or threaten the nutrition of another. Yes those chickens can be put in a cage. We're not only talking about the immediate confinement cost, but also the ongoing increased feed cost. The way I see life is I'm not required to finance one's job security. It is this kind of issue which forced me to eliminate a possible legal problem with a relatively good and close neighbor who wants me to buy sterile bagged fertilizer form wally world. I live on an acreage same as they do.

First all they are asking is that the OP do what is his basic responsibility as a neighbor and that is keep his livestock on his property. The person who moved there has a perfect right to expect that. You don't have to put up with everything your new neighbors do if it is illegal, immoral or flat wrong.
I have no idea what you mean by it being his boss' problem or it costing thousands of dollars to remedy. Chicken wire is pretty cheap and it's not that hard to make a portable pen either.
Have you ever heard the old adage good fences make good neighbors? That is exactly what the vast majority of us are saying here.

am1too · #70 03/17/14, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MDKatie

I never have lived in the city, thanks. One time my chickens crossed the road and ate my neighbor's first tomatoes of the season. He was ------, and I penned up my chickens after that.

I can't wait until someone's dog wanders onto your property and you get all huffy because it should be contained.

Yeah guess I'll have to start shootin em like they do. Don't mention the drop offs.

am1too · #71 03/17/14, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Possum Belly

Been in the country most of my life. I live in a very rural county. The laws say to keep your animals on your property.

It is about respect. If you don't respect others or their property, then that is another story.
Sure I have had an animal get over on a neighbor before but once I knew about it, I fixed the problem. Over the years I have had a few get out and a neighbor called me. There was never any sort of problem because I was willing to handle the problem and quickly. If someones animals came over and I spoke to my neighbor about it and he was NOT willing to fix the problem, then we would have a problem. At this point, even if he lives next door, we are no longer neighbors. If he was not willing to try and keep his animals at home, including dogs, I would would have no choice but to deal with the poor animals. If someone won't keep their animals at home and say that their animals can go wherever they want no matter how the bordering neighbors feel, IMO, they are just looking for a fight.
As I said before, we live in a rural county. Most all neighbors still have animals and you know what,.........we are still neighbors and friends. None of us have forced others to remove the animals like you say above. We try to get along and do a pretty good job at it.

Didn't you have a problem with your dog and neighbor?
Seems like the type neighbors that let their animals "free range" think they are entitled to use all the land that borders them.

I'm all for reasonable. Perfect is nigh impossible as you say. Thus if I spend the thousand to help you keep your minimum wage job and my chickens get out the problem still exists. The real issue isn't where the chickens are its the pathogens. Those pathogens will cross the road whether the chickens do or not. Once is all it takes. The newbie should move.

am1too · #72 03/17/14, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rambler

I'm not sure you ever had a 'right' to let your chickens free range upon your neighbors land.

In many cases no harm no foul (fowl?) but if the neighbor objects to something you do that is happening on their property, it really kinda looks like you are the problem?

Paul

If one moves to the existing situation they've no reasonable right to complain or cause an issue.

where I want to · #73 03/17/14, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by am1too

If one moves to the existing situation they've no reasonable right to complain or cause an issue.

Of couse they do. If that was right, you'd still be running pigs in downtown New York.
When I bought my place the neighbor had been using it as if it was his. But just because he took advantage of an absent owner did not mean he had acquired the right to do whatever he wanted.

painterswife · #74 03/17/14, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by am1too

If one moves to the existing situation they've no reasonable right to complain or cause an issue.

I guess that means if you move to a property and find out that your neighbor has been using it for years to bury the bodies of his enemies, you must let him continue.

arabian knight · #75 03/17/14, 10:35 AM

Yes they do, as the other person has the responsibility to KEEP the chickens from getting out and over to some else's property, Pure and Simple.

am1too · #76 03/17/14, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lmrose

Deer running out in front of a car is not the same as some one free ranging their chickens and letting them cross the road on to some one elses property. Deer belong to no person , wild and part of nature. They are evn protected by government outside of hunting season. Chickens belong to the person who purchased them and the person is responsible to keep them on their own property.

Here we have had neighbors who let chickens, ducks , geese and sheep free range. They have crossed the road and ate flowers in our neighbor's garden. Worse is they have tied up traffic while they wandered in the road . This can cause a serious accident. Another old man had his cattle spooked by lightning. The animals went through a fence and invaded other neighbor's property. The cattle owner had to go to court and was found guilty of not keeping his animals on his own property! He was fined and ordered to put up better fences! No arguing could convince the judge that spooked cattle can go through any fence no matter how good the fence is! Right or wrong that is what happened.

Having chickens or any animals means be a responsible owner and keeping them home.

We all want to be like the government. Own with no legal responsibility.

The renter or the landlord should be required to fence out the unwanted. But that would be wrong in our society. After they need protection.

It should be apparent that I'm not arguing for the right of one to be offensive. I'm also not arguing for the right of another to use someone else's property. Nor am I arguing for open range.

It seems to me that the OP is being placed on a lot rather than an acreage. If that is true it really is him that has the problem.

am1too · #77 03/17/14, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

Sorry, grew up in the country.

So tell me, what if I brought my horses to graze your lawn, is that ok with you?

I bet you scream bloody murder if someone trespasses on your property, right?

That changes the issue.

If my neighbor posts no trespassing signs and ignores mine yes we have a problem.

am1too · #78 03/17/14, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobottom

Sucks that you lost that freedom, man. But this should spur you to buy your own little piece of property in the back woods, then you could do what you want ( more or less ).

Tip; Don't buy within the town limits or in a community, they will run your life with the rules!

Exactly the reason I don't live in town or within a home owners association's jurisdiction.

LisaInN.Idaho · #79 03/17/14, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by where I want to

I did not think about open range. It's so rare these days but open range means you must fence animals out and enclosure means you must fence animals in. There are some open range lands south of me.
So it depends on which the OP has what the legal requirement is. But it is not for an individual to unilaterally decide.

Not that rare, 13 western states still have open range areas. I lived in one in Arizona and I live in one now. I've never actually heard or read of open range laws applying to poultry but even if they did, it's doubtful that chickens would survive getting to someone else's property given the extreme rural nature of open range areas. Almost always, towns and settled areas are declared "herd districts" and livestock owners must fence their animals in.

am1too · #80 03/17/14, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiempo

This is not a city folk country folk issue. I don't know many farmers who would be happy if another farmer let his stock deliberately graze on his property.

It also doesn't matter if the tenant works in a chicken plant or not. It's not your land, period.

The blue bolded is the key. The issue is caused by someone moving to an existing situation. The solution is moving away from the existing situation.