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Old 03/16/14, 12:21 PM
 
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Speaking of dogs, back in ID where I used to live, it was legal to shoot any dog you found on your property. You didn't need evidence that they were harming you. In MS, they think that is crazy. I don't.
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While I like many of the responses above, I will point out that both parties are at fault. The chicken employee has a responsibility to rent a place where exposure to foreign chickens isn't a likely risk.

Case in point: We have people who moved into a rental house across the street from us. They have two dogs. They rented the house KNOWING that the landlord doesn't allow dogs inside the house and the house is on a busy street (logging trucks) and there is no fence. Their dogs now roam all over the neighborhood, stirring up trouble and are at risk of getting run over and killed. Whose fault is it? It isn't the landlords'! It is the stupid renters who didn't rent a place that is suitable to dog ownership.

Now chickens are really hard to keep penned up. Mine easily flew over a fence and sometimes had a mind to roam. I get that. I admit I tend to be an isolationist so it seems every property I own ends up with me installing a perimeter fence - mostly to keep my stuff in and other people's stuff out. But there are benefits to the country being wide and open, too. It would most definitely say it encroaches on my "little bit of freedom" if some newbie complains about my chickens existing, much less crowing. But to complain because they're coming into HIS yard? Well, that is legit.
Huey. Chickens are easy to fence in. You just have to want to respect your neighbors property rights whether they rent or own. They are not asking anyone to get rid of their chickens just keep them on their own property.
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Old 03/16/14, 01:45 PM
 
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OK so what is reasonable? I say if you don't like the customs of the country stay in the city. Dogs and chickens are 2 different issues. The issue of the OP isn't land use. Its someone having an existing condition forcing someone else to accommodate them when they have other options. Basically your saying I can force you to do anything I wish.
I have lived in "the country" for close to 25 years. I didn't like other peoples' animals on my property then, and I don't like it any better now. If it is accidental - no problem. I have returned my neighbors puppy a few times, and another neighbor has called me twice because my sheep were out of their fence (still on my property, but outside their pasture) that is reasonable and it is being neighborly. If I deliberately allowed my sheep to go onto my neighbors property, if I make no concerted effort to confine them to my own property, that would be negligent and irresponsible and very UN-neighborly, even if they WOULD help mow his lawn and fertilize it, too.

The tenant's conditions of employment have very little to do with this case. The problem is that the OPs hens are not being kept where they belong - where they would not be causing any problem at all.

You cannot force me to do anything you wish - but you sure should have the right to expect that neither I not my critters would be trespassing on your property.

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I think someone is confusing the term free range with open range. there is nothing illegal about free ranging chickens.... on your own property.
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Old 03/16/14, 02:11 PM
 
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to old countryboy-i'm an old country boy myself.your chickens on my land-i'll warn u once.then ur gonna need more chickens.MY land-my freedom,STAY-OFF!
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Old 03/16/14, 02:22 PM
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Move back to the city.

I never have lived in the city, thanks. One time my chickens crossed the road and ate my neighbor's first tomatoes of the season. He was ------, and I penned up my chickens after that.

I can't wait until someone's dog wanders onto your property and you get all huffy because it should be contained.
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good fences...good neighbors

my chickens free range most of the day but fences limit their range in certain directions.
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Old 03/16/14, 03:24 PM
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Change the zoning law or move. You will force all people to have no animals.
Been in the country most of my life. I live in a very rural county. The laws say to keep your animals on your property.

It is about respect. If you don't respect others or their property, then that is another story.
Sure I have had an animal get over on a neighbor before but once I knew about it, I fixed the problem. Over the years I have had a few get out and a neighbor called me. There was never any sort of problem because I was willing to handle the problem and quickly. If someones animals came over and I spoke to my neighbor about it and he was NOT willing to fix the problem, then we would have a problem. At this point, even if he lives next door, we are no longer neighbors. If he was not willing to try and keep his animals at home, including dogs, I would would have no choice but to deal with the poor animals. If someone won't keep their animals at home and say that their animals can go wherever they want no matter how the bordering neighbors feel, IMO, they are just looking for a fight.
As I said before, we live in a rural county. Most all neighbors still have animals and you know what,.........we are still neighbors and friends. None of us have forced others to remove the animals like you say above. We try to get along and do a pretty good job at it.

Didn't you have a problem with your dog and neighbor?
Seems like the type neighbors that let their animals "free range" think they are entitled to use all the land that borders them.
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Old 03/16/14, 03:34 PM
 
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I'm not sure you ever had a 'right' to let your chickens free range upon your neighbors land.

In many cases no harm no foul (fowl?) but if the neighbor objects to something you do that is happening on their property, it really kinda looks like you are the problem?

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Sadly true. I pay my rent every year.
Deer running out in front of a car is not the same as some one free ranging their chickens and letting them cross the road on to some one elses property. Deer belong to no person , wild and part of nature. They are evn protected by government outside of hunting season. Chickens belong to the person who purchased them and the person is responsible to keep them on their own property.

Here we have had neighbors who let chickens, ducks , geese and sheep free range. They have crossed the road and ate flowers in our neighbor's garden. Worse is they have tied up traffic while they wandered in the road . This can cause a serious accident. Another old man had his cattle spooked by lightning. The animals went through a fence and invaded other neighbor's property. The cattle owner had to go to court and was found guilty of not keeping his animals on his own property! He was fined and ordered to put up better fences! No arguing could convince the judge that spooked cattle can go through any fence no matter how good the fence is! Right or wrong that is what happened.

Having chickens or any animals means be a responsible owner and keeping them home.
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Old 03/16/14, 04:09 PM
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Because all land is owned by the Government. This is a civil dispute that needs taken to court! OP should not have to fence in domesticated wildlife. That's like someone suing a landowner because a deer jump out in front of their car...

Are you serious? First of all there is no comparison to a domesticated chicken, and a wild deer.

If you buy a chicken, its up to you to keep it off other people's property. Period.
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Wrong issue. Move back to the city.

Sorry, grew up in the country.

So tell me, what if I brought my horses to graze your lawn, is that ok with you?

I bet you scream bloody murder if someone trespasses on your property, right?
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Old 03/16/14, 04:36 PM
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Speaking of dogs, back in ID where I used to live, it was legal to shoot any dog you found on your property. You didn't need evidence that they were harming you. In MS, they think that is crazy. I don't.
Not anymore it's not. If you catch a dog killing chickens or livestock you can shoot it but not for just trespassing. They closed that asinine loophole back around 2008.
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Old 03/16/14, 05:07 PM
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Sucks that you lost that freedom, man. But this should spur you to buy your own little piece of property in the back woods, then you could do what you want ( more or less ).

Tip; Don't buy within the town limits or in a community, they will run your life with the rules!
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Old 03/16/14, 06:47 PM
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This is not a city folk country folk issue. I don't know many farmers who would be happy if another farmer let his stock deliberately graze on his property.

It also doesn't matter if the tenant works in a chicken plant or not. It's not your land, period.
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Old 03/16/14, 06:48 PM
 
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Move back to the city.
I live in the country and if his chickens spent all day ranging on my property pretty soon they would be in my freezer. I don't know what sort of weird laws you have where you live but most everywhere I have lived I don't have to put up with other people's livestock on my property. My land is for feeding my animals not anyone elses.
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What are neighbors ?
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Old 03/16/14, 07:39 PM
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Are you serious? First of all there is no comparison to a domesticated chicken, and a wild deer.

If you buy a chicken, its up to you to keep it off other people's property. Period.
Where did I say the deer was wild?
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Old 03/17/14, 06:27 AM
 
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free range on your own property.
my neighbours dogs used to come to my place and harrass(one word) my chickens. one day one dog never went home after it broke my bird feeder for the third time.
the nieghbours had been begged, warned, and animal control called at times.. to no avail..
the first time my free range chickens started to spread out their wandering area, they had a huge fenced yard built for them.
If I dont want their critters here, they shouldnt have to put up with mine.
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Old 03/17/14, 07:17 AM
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Free range chickens on your property = your chickens. Free range chickens on some one else's property = free meal.
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