I Just Don't Understand People

wr · #21 02/11/14, 11:27 PM

I am not attacking you personally or otherwise but am making a suggestion.

Danaus29 · #22 02/11/14, 11:27 PM

As long as names aren't mentioned I personally don't see the problem. Maybe churches would do more of what they are supposed to do if they published how much they gave to people in the community. Lots of stores here post that info right in the store.
X to suchandsuch charity
Y to thisnthat group
etc, etc.

I wish I could find some slab wood for $20 a cord. Even $20 a van load would be a bargain!

wr · #23 02/11/14, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

As long as names aren't mentioned I personally don't see the problem. Maybe churches would do more of what they are supposed to do if they published how much they gave to people in the community. Lots of stores here post that info right in the store.
X to suchandsuch charity
Y to thisnthat group
etc, etc.

I wish I could find some slab wood for $20 a cord. Even $20 a van load would be a bargain!

Our local church is accounts for charitable donations in their tax returns but they are super strict about discussing individual donations. Likely because it's a small community and they don't want to risk embarrassing someone going through a difficult time.

Sawmill Jim · #24 02/11/14, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wr

I may be wrong but most churches prefer to keep information about donations and requests confidential but at the very least, sharing it on a public forum is not a really great idea.

Well sounded like a general statement to me no one persons name was mentioned

At our church in days gone buy some folks had a regular route they made from church to church never stopped for a service just cash .

Would appear some go out of their way to be offended or just want to

May be just me but if I really needed help I wouldn't care if you posted my name and address on a billboard .

And I for one would take any refrigerator offered if I needed it and glad to have it .

coolrunnin · #25 02/11/14, 11:40 PM

Around here it runs $20 a bundle but that fits in a pickup bed so nowhere near a cord.

Sawmill Jim · #26 02/11/14, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by coolrunnin

Around here it runs $20 a bundle but that fits in a pickup bed so nowhere near a cord.

I think 4x4x8 is a cord . I can get em free and have a 37' neck over trailer to haul on

big rockpile · #27 02/11/14, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

As long as names aren't mentioned I personally don't see the problem. Maybe churches would do more of what they are supposed to do if they published how much they gave to people in the community. Lots of stores here post that info right in the store.
X to suchandsuch charity
Y to thisnthat group
etc, etc.

I wish I could find some slab wood for $20 a cord. Even $20 a van load would be a bargain!

No names have been mentioned. It was just pointed out I'm Church Leader so I shouldn't suggest people should make some effort to try to help their selves with some effort on their part to keep from starving or being cold instead of having everything handed to them.

The Bible is clear on this 2 Thessalonians 3:10

big rockpile

big rockpile · #28 02/11/14, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wr

I am not attacking you personally or otherwise but am making a suggestion.

Who was it that brought up me and my Church?

Who insist bringing up me and my Church on this Trend?

Who has PM me not only on this Trend but others?

Just not the way I'm seeing it

Seems very much as a Personal Attack and you see fit to drag the Church in it.

big rockpile

wr · #29 02/11/14, 11:55 PM

I sincerely apologize if I have made you feel otherwise. Perhaps because of the critical need for utmost confidentiality in my occupation, I misunderstood your intentions.

AngieM2 · #30 02/11/14, 11:58 PM

Well, this is an interesting thread.

Big Rockpile I understand your comment as the same as when people just shake their head and and wonder at the foolishness of some people. And I also understand that you have been here long enough that many of us are family and old style that would understand that.

But then we have some that are more new style and trying to be all too correct and not thinking anything is wrong, or everything can be turned to a good. It may be so, but then, different ages and different parts of the countries have different out looks.

As HT gets larger, there are more outlooks, and when sitting in a huge buffet you will find more opinions than if you're in your next door friend's kitchen talking with people you know very well.

And as no particular person, or not enough identifying information was given to identify any one person then talking in general is not so bad.

But putting anyone down in this thread is more specific and should be reconsidered.

The reaction to this original post reminds me of the reaction people outside our region said about how crazy for that little bit of weather to shut down towns and have children stay as school rather than trying to get home. And most did not realize the difference in a place that is different and that weather was totally outlandish for us.

Now, due to that, the weather men are going crazy warning us about this upcoming snow storm that will start in the morning and us end up with about 4 inches of a little more of snow, after rain and sleet.

So, can you listen to a member here shaking his head in wonder at some, just as you mentally shake your head at some things and may even post about them here, or Facebook or just to your best friend.

RebelDigger · #31 02/12/14, 12:09 AM

BR, I got what you were saying in the OP. As my late Momma used to tell me all the time, "the Lord helps those who help themselves".

Danaus29 · #32 02/12/14, 12:10 AM

BRP, feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day. But how do you teach him to fish (or eeewww clean a fish) when he won't dig a few worms? I don't blame you at all for refusing to help some people. I see it too. People wanting you to give them something but won't make an effort to do for themselves.

big rockpile · #33 02/12/14, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sawmill Jim

I think 4x4x8 is a cord . I can get em free and have a 37' neck over trailer to haul on

I use to be able to get them free and thought many times loading a Tractor Trailer hauling to Charcoal Mill. Also thought of getting Saw Dust making Pellets, takes a lot of storage space.

Use to get a Kid to cut Slab Wood to fit my stove for $15 a Pickup load which I was more than happy to pay.

big rockpile

big rockpile · #34 02/12/14, 12:30 AM

Ok I'm not going to Bed upset with Family not singling out one individual or group as matter fact I have been known to leave Firewood, Food and Clothes to those in need, never thought twice about it but after couple times and they call me up asking where I am. Come on it's asking a bit much.

So it's way past my Bed Time I'm not upset with anyone and please accept

to the ones I may of offended.

big rockpile

sdnapier · #35 02/12/14, 01:03 AM

My sister lives in Maine and she goes to a furniture factory for some of her wood supply. The factory puts all their small scrap wood in big bags. Great fire starters. Heavy bags though. Used to help her lift them into the truck but can't anymore.

frogmammy · #36 02/12/14, 06:40 AM

One year I followed the electric companys tree trimming crew around and got most of my wood that way. Only problem was that it was in 4 foot lengths. Took the back seat out of my Chevy Nova and I could carry quite a bit of wood at one time, between it and the trunk.

Every now and then, the homeowner wanted the wood, but mostly, they didn't.

Mon

geo in mi · #37 02/12/14, 07:06 AM

Many community agencies and churches have gone to a centralized effort for care of folks in need. A person or family with need(s) comes to the community-wide office and registers. From there, resources like food, clothing, baby supplies, rent help, fuel needs, etc are referred. One church will be in charge of food pantry, another will be in charge of baby needs, and so forth. In the old days, many people would go from church to church seeking donations(you get the picture). Now, the effort is co-ordinated throughout the community. Along with this, mentoring, counselling, bugeting help is available. There are always people with needs, and this is one positive way to help without being pre-judgemental from the get-go. It also helps the funds go farther and wiser.

As for the wood gathering issue, I think the propane crisis was instant and caught nearly everybody by surprise. (Of course, there is some element of"being prepared" there). But this has been one of the toughest, harshest winters on record. It came on pretty suddenly with the polar vortex situation--and it continues today. For many people, it might be pretty hard to convert from propane to a wood burning system that fast, and around here you wouldn't be able to approach a woods drifted with snow, even if you had a chain saw, a trailer, and the clothing needed to get some free wood.

Maybe a reasonable approach would for someone to cut some while cutting their own, then store it at the designated community location, so at least for the time being, another one wouldn't be caught short. Then, the community could help prepare that one in need to be better prepared to take care of his or her own needs next winter--and also replace the stack?

geo

ceresone · #38 02/12/14, 07:35 AM

Rock is a good man! maybe I understand him so well because we are in the same part of the country. I dont see a thing wrong with what he says, and it IS just like we are one big family in here-most of us have " known" each other for years. But--it being like a family, there is always someone who takes offense at what is said.
The person that really got to me one time-is when I has fresh tomatoes I offered to the Senior Housing-The next day a younger woman came to my house and offered "to take them off my hands" if I had any. I dont know why, but this expression made me angry.
I'm wishing I could afford a outdoor furnace, Son's and SIL cut wood here on the farm for my fireplace.

Sammilynn · #39 02/12/14, 07:58 AM

I wanted to weigh in on the sawmill/slab wood situation. Here in Salem we go to the stave mill and if you hand load it, it is five dollars. It's all oak and for an hour or so of splitting/loading it's worth it. Or you can bring a trailer and pay five dollars a loader bucket full. I also live about a mile from a saw mill and pay six dollars a truck load for blocks. We usually stock up over the summer to let the wood season and get a few loads over the winter to mix in/supplement the wood pile. Even though we could cut our own wood, I'm not sure that we would actually save any money.

badlander · #40 02/12/14, 08:08 AM

This isn't nothing new. I can remember 40+ years ago my mom and dad would plant a quarter acre garden. It would produce enough food for a family of four for a year with abundant left to sell. As a younger person, that was my job. I would pick the surplus vegetables, weigh and box them up. Folks would call and order a bushel of green beans or tomatoes and 75% of them were more than willing to drive out to the country and pick up their order. The other 25% wanted us to deliver them and I even remember folks asking if I would string and snap the beans for them. HUH? They were getting fresh home grown produce at less than market price and they wanted us to as my mother once put it, clean, cook, chew and swallow it for them also.

You can drive by public housing in our ex-home town in the dead of winter and see windows open. Worry about heat and keeping warm? Evidently not. Worried about having to pay for propane or natural gas, obviously not when the state is funding the bill with energy relief. Too much effort to turn down the thermostat and save a few dollars? Obviously not. It's easier to waste when you don't have to pay for the comfort.

Am I surprised by people's attitude about having things handed to them on a silver platter. Not anymore. Mostly it's ignorance and laziness. We had a customer once who worked in corrections supervising prisoners who had jobs in the prison kitchen. He once asked one of his charges where he thought food came from anyway, and the gentleman replied, quite seriously, "from the back of the store!"

I agree with you BRP. Give the people in the town we just permanently moved from a splitting maul and chain saw and point them towards fallen timber and tell them if they want to keep warm or cook food they will have to produce their own firewood and only a small percentage will be willing to put their backs and shoulders into the job. The rest will be sitting on the side line waiting to have their cooked dinner and firewood for heating handed to them. AND they will be wanting some extra cash for their time waiting so they can buy ciggies and beer.

Sorry, you can call me opinionated, bitter, biased, calloused, or whatever you want to call me but we (homesteaders for example) are the minority in a lot of areas. The country is becoming a nation of parasites who are feeding off the minority that is willing to work. Note that I am not referring here to the elderly, sick, or young whom we should ALL be looking out for and helping. I am talking about the healthy majority that is perpetuating the entitlement mentality.

I am really afraid for this country.