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02/02/14, 10:45 AM
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Baseboards limit the usability of a room. I would keep them to a minimum and instead use moveable space heaters. Knock off "edenpures" do a nice job.
Glad you moved the wood stove to a central location.
Please reconsider the ceiling heat, and instead use floor panels. You will find it much more efficient, for a similar cost. Even better, do you have a basement or crawl space? If so, install heat plates and pex. This allows you to use electric, propane or wood to heat the home.
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02/02/14, 12:19 PM
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Didn't see anything about your insulation. Just keep in mind, the better/more insulation you have, the better/cheaper your heat/a/c is going to work. If you have the best heat/a/c in the world and you don't have sufficient insulation, your cost to heat/cool is still going to be expensive. Get the most and best insulation that you can afford. It will save you in the long run and it's a one time charge. Some power companies give rebates on insulation. Used to be you could get a credit on your taxes for insulation.
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02/02/14, 06:19 PM
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imautoparts, you can add a duct system to transfer woodheat from your living room to other bedrooms. And have it on a thermostat that operates the duct fan only. Burn wood heat as your main source of heat and use electricity/propane for a backup when your not home for some reason. You will save a lot of money with wood.
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02/03/14, 07:08 AM
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I have been keeping up with this thread-as i am rebuilding back after the fire & am going with total electric with heat pump for heat with wood back up in basement....also having a generator plug put on my electric box so if electric goes out i can have some electric...have thought it all out-i hope!!!
House is gonna be well insulated/with good windows so hope it all works out...
Good luck in your decisions....
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02/03/14, 10:00 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2013
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Originally Posted by barnyardgal
I have been keeping up with this thread-as i am rebuilding back after the fire & am going with total electric with heat pump for heat with wood back up in basement....also having a generator plug put on my electric box so if electric goes out i can have some electric...have thought it all out-i hope!!!
House is gonna be well insulated/with good windows so hope it all works out...
Good luck in your decisions....
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With the heat pump, and properly sized generator/plug, you should be fine. For really cold weather, when the heat pump is ineffective, you will definitely want an alternative like the wood stove.
With resistance heating like the OP is going to use, that is a different story. It would require a very large generator, which is why having another source of heat as a backup is so important.
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02/03/14, 10:43 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
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Using ceiling warm air intakes near your wood stove and ductwork in the attic to move the heat back down wherever you need it is a good idea.
We live off-grid and heat with wood and propane backup, but people around here that are on electric have CHEAP heat. (2.7 cents per kWh) Electric heat here is by far the cheapest way to heat anything so I hate to see the blanket condemnation placed everywhere. Readers should check their local rates and decide for themselves.
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02/03/14, 11:07 AM
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What I do know is electric is one of the coldest heats out there and I would never want it.
We rented a house that had 2 boilers to heat the water for the radiators. When I walked into the house I could tell which source was heating the house. When the electric boiler was running the house was cold even though the thermostat was at 70. When the oil boiler was running, the house was so toasty at 70.
My grandmothers house was always cold even though she had her electric furnace at 80.
The cost for heating part of this house with an electric boiler was over a $100 a week. Now we heat the entire home with a wood stove.
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02/03/14, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mrs whodunit
What I do know is electric is one of the coldest heats out there and I would never want it.
We rented a house that had 2 boilers to heat the water for the radiators. When I walked into the house I could tell which source was heating the house. When the electric boiler was running the house was cold even though the thermostat was at 70. When the oil boiler was running, the house was so toasty at 70.
My grandmothers house was always cold even though she had her electric furnace at 80.
The cost for heating part of this house with an electric boiler was over a $100 a week. Now we heat the entire home with a wood stove.
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Sounds like the electric boiler was undersized. In actuality, you know that heating with an undersized boiler is the coldest heat you know.
With radiators, it doesn't matter what is heating the water, just that the water is up to temperature-and your electric boiler wasn't up to the task.
I guess what I'm saying is electric, gas, wood, or oil, if the system is sized properly, there is no "cold" heat. If you are cold, something is broken, or someone screwed up.
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02/03/14, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthwoodsMike
Sounds like the electric boiler was undersized. In actuality, you know that heating with an undersized boiler is the coldest heat you know.
With radiators, it doesn't matter what is heating the water, just that the water is up to temperature-and your electric boiler wasn't up to the task.
I guess what I'm saying is electric, gas, wood, or oil, if the system is sized properly, there is no "cold" heat. If you are cold, something is broken, or someone screwed up.
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The thermometers all said it was 70 in the house just like the thermostat was set for. It just that electric is a cold heat.
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02/03/14, 12:11 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Michigan Upper Peninsula
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Originally Posted by mrs whodunit
The thermometers all said it was 70 in the house just like the thermostat was set for. It just that electric is a cold heat.
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Something had to be different. Humidity level perhaps? Temperature and humidity are the only things I can think of that effect how heat "feels" -other than where it is felt on your body, which wouldn't matter because in your case, it was all out of radiators.
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02/04/14, 10:17 AM
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Based on what's currently going on with propane prices, I don't get the "anti-electric" theme.
We heat/cool 4300' with all electric geothermal, a 20KW standby generator, and a woodstove to augment. Our house is ICF, with R30 in the attic. Our last two electric bills were $137 and $142 friends with similarly sized houses are 2-2.5 Xs that with electric/gas combinations.
With the geothermal system with use the fan function to circulate warm air from the woodstove throughout the house. Seems to work OK.
Chuck
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02/04/14, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck R.
Based on what's currently going on with propane prices, I don't get the "anti-electric" theme.
We heat/cool 4300' with all electric geothermal, a 20KW standby generator, and a woodstove to augment. Our house is ICF, with R30 in the attic. Our last two electric bills were $137 and $142 friends with similarly sized houses are 2-2.5 Xs that with electric/gas combinations.
With the geothermal system with use the fan function to circulate warm air from the woodstove throughout the house. Seems to work OK.
Chuck
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Geothermal is a different animal altogether. The op is planning on using resistance electric heating, which is typically of the more expensive ways to heat. At $0.10/KWH, it costs 29.30 to get a million BTU's. When propane is $2/gal, it costs $25 to get the same BTU output(factoring 85% eff)-and usually propane costs less than that. Right now, electric is smoking propane when it comes to cost though-which is why multiple options are a good thing to have.
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02/04/14, 01:12 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I'd say have all three....propane, eletric, and wood..................options mean alot in todays world.
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02/04/14, 01:53 PM
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no back ups are a really bad idea. one storm or event and you are done. Add some back ups.
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02/04/14, 02:30 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NC
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Yep....if you have access to wood, free...except for harvesting expense....it's nice heat!
If you break a leg, get bed sick a few days....electric is nice................
Power goes out, and you have propane/natural gas that isn't dependent on eletricty......you can stay warm....healthy or sick as a buzzard...with out having to fetch wood in bad weather.
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02/08/14, 04:23 PM
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Get a smoke detector and a co2 detector. Then get proper building gas electric inspection. Then properly insulate the house before continuing.
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02/08/14, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
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Electric boilers are woefully inefficient compared to baseboard heat. Thermostat placement is truly all about location with electric baseboard heat. My bathroom and bedrooms can be toasty and way too warm when their respective thermostats are set at 70*F. But the living room is freezing cold when set at 75*F because the thermostat is located on the wall behind the fridge. Needless to say the fridge keeps the thermostat very warm. We can and have kept nice and warm with all electric heat here. Wood is cheaper and keeps the chill off in the basement (where the stove is located).
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