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01/14/14, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sisterpine
...... How frightening it is to see we have evolved yet more problems with our food source.....
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We've always had problem with the food system from the dawn of time. Humans have learned to deal with the challenges and survive. This is just another challenge for us to overcome.
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01/14/14, 12:01 PM
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PEDV is not the only reason for rising pork prices, part of the reason is industry contraction because of all time high feed costs. The PEDV virus will limit the ability of the pork complex to react to market signals for expansion.
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01/14/14, 12:37 PM
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whenever bacon or pork is on sale cheap and I don't have a lot I buy it up and freeze it, have 4 bacons and 2 pork loins, and 4 packages of pork chops left in freezer and pork and bacon are on sale at our store in the flyer this week
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01/14/14, 12:39 PM
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Haypoint, If the disease too 100% of all p[igs born, and its been known of for a year, There would be Very few hogs alive now.
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01/14/14, 12:50 PM
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I think it's just a ploy to get those nasty dirty animals out of the food stream if ya know what I mean...
I can't wait to get my own pigs... mmm... pork..
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01/14/14, 02:05 PM
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I'm 38 and remember bacon being as little as .99¢ lb. Also remember sugar coming in 5lb bags and costing $1 and gas under $1. Wages ain't kept up with nothing but electronics.
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01/14/14, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sisterpine
Am just now beginning to research this one. How frightening it is to see we have evolved yet more problems with our food source. I sincerely think that the general public is the last to know about things like this. Not that I am paranoid LOL, maybe I am. It just seems that the rulers of this planet are able to see way into the future and nothing seems a surprise to them!
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The information is out there. A few years ago, I posted to the Poultry section about Avian Influenza. The Moderator believed it was spread by huge factory farms, while the facts showed it was the small flocks, common in Asia. The spread followed market routes, their version of farmers markets. I was banned from posting on the Poultry section and when I log in, I cannot even read posts in that section. Apparently, some folks do not want to know what goes on beyond their mail box. If it would have taken hold in this country, some folks would complain that no one warned them.
I regularly post about illnesses associated with raw milk. Many prefer not to know about it, so the title includes the disclaimer" don't read if you don't want to know".
There are growing concerns over chronic wasting Disease in deer and Elk in this country. Cattle catching brucellosis from Infected Yellowstone Bison is a concern. Teams of Veterinarians and Field Workers in Michigan tested 25,000 cattle for TB, following discovery of a TB infected herd. No idea where the TB came from. Hundreds of miles from TB infected deer areas.
Homesteading takes a lot of work and it is sometimes difficult to keep up with the rest of the world. I feel homesteading TODAY, requires keeping up with the latest developments, evaluating them and adopting the ones that prove useful. Forty years ago, when I started this homesteading journey, there was no resource such as Homesteadingtoday. No Google, no Wikipedia. Lots of trial and error. We have a cornucopia of information, real life experiences and various solutions. Just up to us to winnow out the chaff from the truth.
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01/14/14, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy J
We've always had problem with the food system from the dawn of time. Humans have learned to deal with the challenges and survive. This is just another challenge for us to overcome.
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"We've always had problem with the food system from the dawn of time. We have learned to deal with the challenges and survive. This is just another challenge for us to overcome. " quoted by the last Passenger Pigeon.
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01/14/14, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve in PA
I'm sure factory farms had nothing to do with the outbreak.
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Factory farms are probably safer than small farms because they usually have very strict disease control systems in place. I don't know any small farmers which have a disinfectant boot wash at the entrance to their barns.
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01/14/14, 02:46 PM
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Lets just pray that the vaccines companies can come up with a solution and Fast~!
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If this was GC or politics I'd have to say something about evil big pharma
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01/14/14, 04:00 PM
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As to the guy selling the pigs at 250# for $100, mighta raised his own grain, and found it5 easier to feed it through pigs, than to scoop a load into a pk and take it to town,
I doubt nowadays, if they would even take just a pk load. Dad did that, and ive scooped corn into a 52 Chevy pk with grain racks so dad would have some spending money on Sat.
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01/14/14, 05:35 PM
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I know in some areas the question will be the anticipated impact on wild hog population, not everyone will be sad about reducing the wild hogs.
We don't have the wild hog problem here in Michigan, but the amount of destruction they cause in other areas of the U.S. is just amazing.
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01/14/14, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
FBB, it isn't 10% fatal to baby pigs, it is 100% fatal. Very contagious to pigs. Also getting spread by the farmers' boots, truckers' boots. Picked up from Livestock auctions, Feed Mills, Coffee Shops, Party Stores. People with the bacteria on them spread it and then others pick it up and track it in to their farms.
Go to the Pork Section and read the sticky about it.
TnAndy, just a CL scam, I'll bet. I responded to a CL ad for an Aluminum horse trailer for $1200, but it was a convoluted way to skin money off fools.
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Same way White Nose Syndrome has spread among the bat populations....
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01/14/14, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SSacres
I know in some areas the question will be the anticipated impact on wild hog population, not everyone will be sad about reducing the wild hogs.
We don't have the wild hog problem here in Michigan, but the amount of destruction they cause in other areas of the U.S. is just amazing.
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Michigan has hundreds of wild hogs, perhaps thousands, in nearly every county. Brought here for hunt clubs and as breeding stock for hunt clubs. They didn't respect fences. Any hunter can shoot any they see. Michigan does have a Wild Hog problem. If this disease does get into Michigan's Wild Hog population, it will quickly spread to commercial operations.
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01/14/14, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
Big Rockpile, I know I shouldn't ask, but how do you figure there was/is a government connection between a virus that spread between birds and people and killed a lot of birds and a few people? Because the government closely monitored it, prepared for a pandemic and it didn't develop, or was it a conspiracy to control world-wide chicken consumption?
Unaware of the diseases and bacterial outbreaks all over the world that has been going on since the beginning of time? Does the US need to go an entire year with no one getting a flu shot for you to see the importance of disease monitoring and vaccination development? We are so sheltered from human and animal diseases in this country, I think we forget the outbreaks around the world.
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Makes sense before the outbreak Tysons was building one of the largest Poultry Processing Plants in the world in China. Now take in consideration who was President at the time. Bill Clinton once Governor of the top poultry producing states where Tysons was king. Outbreak in China, Tysons says no problem we will supply the Chicks to the growers.
If you will check at the time Tyson Stock was at an all time high.
Just can't help but think of all the other diseases lately in domestic and wild animals.
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01/14/14, 07:34 PM
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I can't speak to high pork prices anywhere but here in Oklahoma...but after new year, the price of pork breakfast sausage had jumped over $1 per one pound package except for Hormel. If any of you have ever eaten Hormel breakfast sausage you know it has all the flavor of well worn Nikes and thus the price for hormel HAS to stay low or no one would buy it. But truly, until I can grow my own, I just don't want to live in a world without Jimmy Dean. I may have to get a part time job to supplement my income to pay for my habit. Geez.....
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01/14/14, 07:36 PM
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As far as Wild Hogs I like going out get couple hundred pounds of meat with one shot on something all I spent was a Bullet.
Most here stay close to water.
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01/14/14, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CIW
This has been going on for several years over in China. It will kill whole litters of pigs. As the animal gets bigger they develop the ability to fight it but can still carry the disease.
Closed herds of hogs is probably a direction that may suppress it. Either raising your own boars or better yet AI all the sows.
By the way. Hog futures are trending down the rest of the year.
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That would indicate max production to me.
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01/14/14, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
They are effected, just as the small operations are. It wasn't caused by large farms. While a disease spreading through a thousand sow operation is more newsworthy than a hundred ten sow operations, the larger operations generally employ better biosecurity than the smaller operations. They have to. The risk of exposure is greater. Clearly the cause is importation of the virus from another country. Who or how will never be known for sure. Put the blame elsewhere and fail to employ biosecurity and you may be a small farm that had something to do with the outbreak.
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Any one notice all the problems are traced back to big ag. So far I've not seen one single problem traced back to the little guy they're trying to put out of business through government action.
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01/14/14, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by simi-steading
I think it's just a ploy to get those nasty dirty animals out of the food stream if ya know what I mean...
I can't wait to get my own pigs... mmm... pork..
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The more I read this thread the more I believe it to be a contrived marketing ploy to raise the price like a few things in the recent past.
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