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01/14/14, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mare
no i wouldnt be ok with some one shooting at my house and if they are on your property you have the right to take them down--you crossed the line (legally) by taking it down on his property and if that is what the game warden told you it still doesnt change the fact that what you did is illegal. i did not see anything in your post about you catching him shooting at your house ect. you can try and spin it anyway you want but it doesnt change the facts.
and if it wasnt legal why didnt the game warden do his JOB and deal with it--maybe that should have been your first clue that what you were doing wasnt right??
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The game warden told him to take it down and he didn't. I talked to the man, and he told me he would also, and he still didn't. I just expedited the process with the full knowledge of the game warden, who agreed that this was probably the only way to keep them from shooting towards my house. There was no retribution. If anything, it let these clowns know that we meant business. I'm pretty sure they thought the game warden did it. They didn't want the law coming around, since I know for a fact that they had illegal activities going on.
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01/14/14, 12:48 PM
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Steve I can shoot towards your house all day long without a tree stand. I would think it would be better for them to be in one place than wandering all over. Most people will pick up on visual clue and always look for it. If the hunter was using a climbing stand and picked a different tree each time very few people would notice.
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01/14/14, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanda
Steve I can shoot towards your house all day long without a tree stand. I would think it would be better for them to be in one place than wandering all over. Most people will pick up on visual clue and always look for it. If the hunter was using a climbing stand and picked a different tree each time very few people would notice.
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The problem is that this "permanent" wooden stand ONLY pointed at my house. Only one opening and unless the deer was right below the stand, all the deer they shot would be on my property.
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01/14/14, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GunMonkeyIntl
Disrespectful to do something on HIS land that you've asked him not to do in the past?
Raven, would you mind moving your compost pile? I would prefer that you have it on the east end of your property so that I'm less likely to smell it when the summer-westerlys blow through.
I'm sure I can consider it done.
Thanks.
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You obviously didn't read my other posts about the history behind all this. The previous landowner told his SIL 10 years ago to move his deer stand away from our house. The SIL did this and hunted for 10 years with his deer stand on the back of the landowner's property away from any houses or other people's property. He has over 80 acres back there to hunt on. I'm pretty sure he did this because we have 96 acres that we don't allow hunting on, so he's taking advantage of this.
The previous landowner died of lung cancer in March of 2013. As soon as hunting season rolled around his SIL moved the deer stand to the property line just below our house. I'm not even sure if it IS his land yet and I think it's VERY disrespectful to the wishes of his deceased FIL.
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01/14/14, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveD(TX)
The problem is that this "permanent" wooden stand ONLY pointed at my house. Only one opening and unless the deer was right below the stand, all the deer they shot would be on my property.
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Sounds exactly like the wooden stand just below our house. Behind the stand is a large drainage ditch and kudzu. In front of the stand is our "hidden meadow" which is a nice clearing with lush grass. I think the way the hunter positioned the stand is a clear indication that he plans to hunt on OUR property since his is overgrown in that area and it would be pretty much impossible to retrieve a deer that was shot there.
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01/14/14, 06:24 PM
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Sounds exactly like the wooden stand just below our house. Behind the stand is a large drainage ditch and kudzu. In front of the stand is our "hidden meadow" which is a nice clearing with lush grass. I think the way the hunter positioned the stand is a clear indication that he plans to hunt on OUR property since his is overgrown in that area and it would be pretty much impossible to retrieve a deer that was shot there.
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Any hunter worth his salt can retrieve a deer in that type of cover. In fact, it's easier. I think the problem is you don't like the idea of someone hunting next to you.
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01/14/14, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveD(TX)
The game warden told him to take it down and he didn't. I talked to the man, and he told me he would also, and he still didn't. I just expedited the process with the full knowledge of the game warden, who agreed that this was probably the only way to keep them from shooting towards my house. There was no retribution. If anything, it let these clowns know that we meant business. I'm pretty sure they thought the game warden did it. They didn't want the law coming around, since I know for a fact that they had illegal activities going on.
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i wonder if the game warden can just come on your property and tell you what to do? so if i build a deer stand and never hunt on it--i can be made to take it down by a game warden?? i am not buying that at all--what you did was illegal, period.
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01/14/14, 06:42 PM
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Any hunter worth his salt can retrieve a deer in that type of cover. In fact, it's easier. I think the problem is you don't like the idea of someone hunting next to you.
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You're partially right. I don't mind him hunting next to me when he's far enough out that I don't have to worry about being shot. I really don't like the idea of someone shooting me when I'm hanging out clothes or feeding the chickens.
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01/14/14, 07:34 PM
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I hunt...I enjoy hunting. Some of my stands are on fence lines, but they face me. I have cattle, horses, dogs which I love, and as much as I understand the whole hunting thing, I'd be upset with this situation too. It's more than what the law says, it's respect for neighbors and landowners. No wonder people cant find anywhere to hunt anymore.
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01/14/14, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mare
i wonder if the game warden can just come on your property and tell you what to do? so if i build a deer stand and never hunt on it--i can be made to take it down by a game warden?? i am not buying that at all--what you did was illegal, period.
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There is the law and there is how things get taken care of. Those that can't grasp that should stay close to their safety zone.
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01/14/14, 07:39 PM
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If you haven't had to deal with problem hunters you don't know how stressful it is. Some hunters are total idiots, see a deer and totally lose their minds---providing they have one to loose. Others equate hunting to a great time to drink and are drunk. They are the minority but they are dangerous. I have been shot at twice. It should not happen.
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01/14/14, 08:10 PM
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With what has been said in this thread it seems that the hunter is not the problem. Everyone is SPECULATING what the hunters motive or actions could be. If you all spend this amount of worry over a deer stand how do you manage to drive on a road with the chance of meeting another car?
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01/14/14, 08:56 PM
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Yep, been a whole lot of speculation going on, despite my question being answered several pages back.
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01/14/14, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenlost
You obviously didn't read my other posts about the history behind all this. The previous landowner told his SIL 10 years ago to move his deer stand away from our house...
The previous landowner died of lung cancer in March of 2013. As soon as hunting season rolled around his SIL moved the deer stand to the property line just below our house. I'm not even sure if it IS his land yet and I think it's VERY disrespectful to the wishes of his deceased FIL.
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Nope. I got the story.
The previous owner told his son in law (his guest) not to set up his stand there, as a favor to you. The key to this story, however, is that the previous owner is dead- hence his being the "previous" owner.
The agreement not to place a stand there was between the previous (dead) owner and the SIL (current owner?). You're out of the equation, "Sheriff Paula". The deal was between the new guy and his dead father in law. You can ask him to move his stand, but he can refuse. If he refuses your request, he is not "inconsiderate" or "disrespectful", he is just choosing not to honor the request of a nosey neighbor.
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Originally Posted by Ravenlost
You're partially right. I don't mind him hunting next to me when he's far enough out that I don't have to worry about being shot. I really don't like the idea of someone shooting me when I'm hanging out clothes or feeding the chickens.
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Given that most deer rifles have an max range of 2 miles or more, it is doubtful that there is ANYWHERE on his property that there is ZERO chance of him putting a bullet somewhere onto your property.
This is why the comments by myself and others about driving. There is always some risk in existing around others. Part of life is the danger of dying. Most independent, rural-minded folks don't empathize with others trying to dictate the details of their lives in answer to such nebulous risks.
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01/15/14, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mare
i wonder if the game warden can just come on your property and tell you what to do? so if i build a deer stand and never hunt on it--i can be made to take it down by a game warden?? i am not buying that at all--what you did was illegal, period.
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Oh give me a break. I can't believe that some people would rather live by the very letter of the law, no matter what. No big deal if these "hunters" are habitual drunkards, shooting at deer on your property, towards your house, etc..
I guess some people just don't care too much about the safety of their family and run scared of getting in trouble. I do care. And yes, game wardens have full law enforcement capacity and can indeed "come on your property and tell you what to do", if they feel they could be breaking the law or doing something dangerous.
Good grief.
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01/15/14, 09:23 AM
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Given that most deer rifles have an max range of 2 miles or more, it is doubtful that there is ANYWHERE on his property that there is ZERO chance of him putting a bullet somewhere onto your property.
This is why the comments by myself and others about driving. There is always some risk in existing around others. Part of life is the danger of dying. Most independent, rural-minded folks don't empathize with others trying to dictate the details of their lives in answer to such nebulous risks.
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Given that most deer rifles have a long range, people that should be allowed to hunt know what is behind their target. The hunter is responsible for his shot. It sounds to me like there are some people on this thread that are not responsible hunters. A hunting license does not give you the right to shoot at a deer when it is not safe, no matter who's property you are hunting on.
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01/15/14, 09:44 AM
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Legality aside, as a lifelong hunter I can tell you this: If a conscientious hunter places a stand on or near a fence line, it will be facing AWAY from neighboring property. That's just using common sense.
It is also a good idea to talk to the neighboring property owner and let them know that you are hunting close to the line and that they will hear the shots from your gun, but that all of your shots will be in the other direction. My neighbors and I have all had this talk with each other and with some nonhunting neighbors and we have never had any issues.
As for the OP, since your issue is with the son IN LAW, I would talk to the deceased landowners daughter. Regardless of whether the son in law is the current owner or not, I'll bet that his wife could influence him in ways no one else can.
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01/15/14, 11:25 AM
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Why not set up several scare crows with lots of silver shiney things on them along your property line? Maybe play some loud band music via speakers pointed towards the deer stand. It should solve your problem really quickly.
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01/15/14, 11:33 AM
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The thing I find aggravating about this is we are assuming the worst about the hunter with nothing to back up our opinions. Only assumptions. All I know is neighbors like you, and I have had them, may need an attitude adjustment. This can get very time consuming and costly to the nosy neighbor especially if you have more to lose. Have a talk with him first, tell him your concerns. And then go from there. If he's really unsafe, call the law. You will need some type of documentation not speculation. It sucks having bad neighbors. But from whats been posted so far he hasn't done anything wrong.
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01/15/14, 11:37 AM
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I would wonder what the response would be if the hunter used some of these suggestions offered. I can set around and wonder what would happen if my neighbor poured a drum of arsenic out along our property line but it would not help my health or well being. You have some control over your property but none over your neighbors. If you want to start a feud always remember it works both ways. My mother always said ''never borow anything to worry about''.
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