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Old 11/13/13, 08:56 AM
 
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There are exclusions in the safe act for owner financing of 1 property per year and 3 or more properties per year. Here is a 3 page PDF that explains the guideline.
Thanks for the link. Looks pretty safe to do business this way at the one property per year level. Above that, it gets interesting.
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Old 11/13/13, 09:17 AM
 
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Hello,

I sure appreciated everyone's replies. After looking at Lapeer County's register of deeds info on the Metamora parcel, the most current assessed value was $48,200. So I doubled that,and our 1st offer will be $96400. Our agent ran "comps" for Metamora Township, and found out that similar land was selling for about $108,410. We will have our agent submit a "written" offer, asking for seller financing, with 10-12% down. The worst thing they can say is no. We have other land we are interested in, but this one is our first choice, and yes it is a gorgeous piece of land, but no reason to overpay for it! Thanks again everyone!
Don't know your specifics, but I hope that you are not to heavily invested in the value of your realtors comps, or the tax assessment to determine fair market value?

We are currently searching for property in a distant state. We have been slow and methodical, and learned much from local residents, particularly local ranchers. We discovered that, at the start of the recession, sales of raw land pretty much stopped. Realtors spent the next 3-4 years propping up the land market with fairy tale comps. from years prior, when stupidity was the rule, and out of towners were lining up to spend $20-30K an acre for smaller parcels. A small trickle of property sold at auction over that time, and the values for modest to medium size parcels was literally off 75% from the peak. Realtors and the assessors office worked REALLY hard to ignore this.

12-18 months ago, If I were to walk into an R.E office in town, "unarmed" with the truth, I could of ended up buying a lovely piece of dirt, with plenty of impressive comps. It would of included a glossy portfolio CMA, full of pretty pictures and high prices used to justify the screwing I got. I could of then walked over to the county courthouse review the assessment, and gotten lied to again about how high values are, and how accurate the assessments are. Believe me the real estate community and the county really had a vested interest in keeping the scam going, and did an impressive job, for a long time.

Now the balloon broke, land values are stabilizing at pre-run up levels, and honest comps. are available. The county however, is still addicted to fake assessments and ends up regularly failing to defend their games, when they get drug into state court.

Bottom line? Most county assessments are IMHO, best used as a replacement for Charmin, and any land comps. that do not include a few years of auction history, are of the same caliber.
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Old 11/13/13, 09:38 AM
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When it comes to fair market value for property, be it real estate or a sack of pinto beans it always comes down to one thing..... a price that both seller and buyer agree to at a given point in time. County assessments, appraisals, realtor produced "Competitive Market Analysis" (CMA) are all in the same league... those are one fellers opinion and we all know what opinions are good for. Its only what the buyer and seller think that counts. A buyer can scream and holler all day long, armed with comps and appraisals, but if the seller is not willing to accept an offer.... the buyer goes home without property at the end of the day. Quite often in todays world a seller cannot accept lowball offers even if they wanted to. They often have mortgages that have to be paid off with proceeds of the sale in order to provide a clear title to the buyer.
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Old 11/13/13, 07:10 PM
 
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If you have bare land that is not selling in an Ag state then one of tow things enter my mind, either the land is not decent farmland or it is dramatically over priced.

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Old 11/13/13, 07:58 PM
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When a seller lists a property theie listing agreement details the terms the seller will accept, so if that seller did NOT say on the listing agreement they would accept a land contract, they want all the $$ up front and the sale done and over with quickly. THey have plans probably for the proceeds from the sale and desire a lump sum sale. Many sellers of homes will not accept an FHA loan because of the strict criteria FHA has for homes is loans on, not worth the fixing up to the sellers so they clearly stiupulate NO FHA loan buyers. Some will not sell to VA loan buyers. It's the sellers property and the sellers choice of how they want to receive their sale price.
You are correct! When I list a property, I ask for the Seller to confirm the financing terms, especially if he/she will consider Seller Financing. If a Buyer makes a "written" Offer, that will be presented directly to the Seller. The Seller reserves the right to accept or reject offers that don't meet terms offered in the listing.
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Old 11/14/13, 02:00 AM
 
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If I were a seller, this would be my thinking....

Here is an offer, from someone who can't make a bank loan, they don't have enough to put down.

What will they do with this land, how will they make payments, and do anything positive with the land? Takes money to put up a house.

Just seems a very high risk.

I would pass on such an offer.

If they default, what will they have don't to mess up the property? Taken down trees, started a foundation, what? Then I get a mess back.

Just too big a risk, if a person has such a low downpayment. They have no skin in the game, mess it up and walk away....

I don't mean this against you personally, but how many sellers would view such a request.

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Old 06/08/14, 12:23 AM
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Update: The sellers agreed to the land contract and we closed on the land on May 30 this year. Both parties were very happy, they got their land sold, and we got a beautiful piece of land! Thanks for all the great replies, and I'm sure I will be back to this forum to learn how to take care of the property(clearing brush, tall grass, etc.)
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