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11/01/13, 12:05 AM
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Buffy! I am so excited to read you took Geoff's class. Did you take the new online course he offered? I really want to do that. I only know the very basics of permaculture, have been reading, but do not know enough to do a design. With my schedule, I don't know that I will be able to learn and design before we find property. I know it is a slim chance, but was hoping to find a designer in Northern Idaho to hire. Do you feel the course you took would prepare a novice gardener enough to design on their own?.... omg, I wish I could sit down and talk to you! Congratulations on your certificate.Thank you for the good additions to the question / research list too!
Janna
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The class I took was the online class. It was great being able to watch the class anytime I wanted, being able to "rewind", take notes, watch sections multiple times, and ask questions. I think it would be perfect for you. There may be a designer in your area.
Check out this site- http://permacultureglobal.com/
You could also contact Geoff and see if he knows someone good.
Please feel free to PM me anytime with any questions. I'd love to talk shop with a fellow permie!
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11/01/13, 12:15 AM
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A word to the wise-like everything else the a scammers in the permaculture business. Our neighbors got mixed up with some and ended up losing the farm. Be careful!
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11/01/13, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jassar
Hello everyone!
I have been stalking these forums for a few weeks and just love it! So, thanks to all of you that have made this such a great community.
My husband and I are moving from the Orange County, California suburbs to Northern Idaho in approximately 4-6 months. It has been our dream for close to 2 decades and we always allowed one excuse to get in the way: WORK.
In all truthfulness, it was fear. Fear of the culture shock, the unknown, failure, success...you name it. Fear sucks.
Anyway, we finally got over that hurdle and find ourselves ready to take the plunge at middle age. We are currently considering a few homestead properties (ranging from 5-20 acres, all with a house and various outbuildings, well, a spring and or creek and pond).
My husband is a contractor by trade, but will be working strictly on our property when we move. I will be continuing my work from a home office.
We have no farming experience. I have been organically growing veggies and fruits for about 5 years, learning as I go; And looking to learn more (especially interested in permaculture). We will start by concentrating on a garden and orchard. Our plan is to raise chickens for the eggs. Maybe add a couple goats as we learn our way around the lifestyle. Who knows where that will lead. While the homes we are considering are on grid, our goal is to convert as much to off grid as possible(we will keep a phone land line and internet for work).
So, we are probably on the "older" side for this type of life change. It is a little scary, but as lifetime entrepreneurs we are used to some risk here and there.
I was hoping that some others that made this type of move later in life could share their experiences and/or offer any advice relevant to our situation.
I wish we would have made this move when we were in our late 30's or early 40's and because of our late start, we won't be able to realize all of our dreams for the homestead, but that is ok. We are just so excited to begin our new life!
Thanks for reading and sharing
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haven't read all the replies, but this can be amazing or....not so much. do you KNOW you can live in solitude? some can't. I know some replies I read (again, sorry no time to read all) suggested neighbors. well, I know mine are nice, but don't see them. don't know them. it's ok for me, as I'm that introvert that loves simple, no people living. is this YOU? be sure.
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11/01/13, 09:46 AM
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So I hitched up my horse and wagon and drove the couple miles there to introduce myself. I was greeted with angry shouts and was told to GO BACK, GO AWAY from across the field.
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My neighbor just wants to keep acquaintances on his own terms. Which is fine by me. We got to meet him when the tornadoes were flying around here - we have a tornado shelter and he doesn't (though I have no idea why) so he came up and asked if they could share it if any tornadoes threatened. We spent a couple or three pleasant evenings chatting while keeping an eye on the weather.
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11/01/13, 06:53 PM
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A word to the wise-like everything else the a scammers in the permaculture business. Our neighbors got mixed up with some and ended up losing the farm. Be careful!
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Molly,
Do you have an specifics on how this happened? I would love to be armed with any information 
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11/01/13, 07:25 PM
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You're asking for MY advice? 
1. You will spend more on fuel, and you will loose city conveniences.
2. Don't come out here all COCKY, like you know everything and telling your neighbors that has lived there since 1980 what they should do.
3. We really don't appreciate loud music at 1a.m. but if your neighbor is 1/8th of a mile or further nobody cares.
4. Don't call the friggin Sherriff every time you hear gun fire, we shoot guns out here.
5. Don't light up the outside of your house, the biggest thing I've seen from "city slickers" are they want lots of light outside, lighted walkways,etc. They must be scared of the owls.
6. We use mailboxes, usually on 4x4 post, fancy mailbox containers are frowned upon, and tells that you have much money(or a fool with none) Put at least your last name on the Box.
7. Get to know your neighbors, around here we stay put, everyone has been here since 1985.
8. Full coverage, wildlife damage will increase in the country, and get used to skunks, raccoons and squirrels.
9. You will have a stray, have a plan to deal with it, those City folks love to dump their animals out in the country, and will find your place.
10. again YOU are the GUEST in the neighborhood, if you buy some land, if you have people using the land from previous owner, hunting fishing, atv trails, camping, etc., don't be a JACK! Show some respect and come to mutual agreement.
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11/01/13, 07:26 PM
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I would recommend you do your research for the areas you might like. Visit them, not looking for land but just seeing what the culture, land, and people are like. When you think you have a winner, then rent there for at least 6 months to see what it actually is like to live in that community. You will be amazed what you can learn in that time and if it passes the test, you should have found your farm by the time your lease runs up.
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11/01/13, 07:27 PM
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1980 /1985 boy you've been around a long time !
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11/01/13, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VERN in IL
10. again YOU are the GUEST in the neighborhood, if you buy some land, if you have people using the land from previous owner, hunting fishing, atv trails, camping, etc., don't be a JACK! Show some respect and come to mutual agreement.
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If you own the land you aren't the guest... you're the owner. You're the NEW owner and you are outsider. It is still your land.
Although Vern is totally incorrect about "coming to an agreement" for people to have access to use your land, this does illustrate the attitude you may face.
Sure you bought it, sure you pay the taxes... but hey, we've always fished in that pond.
Be nice, but make sure you are clear with people what your expectations are. The best respect you can give is to be kind and be clear.
That's why it's important to get involved in the community so you don't get painted as the "JACK guest" but a member of the community who respects and deserves the respect of others.
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11/02/13, 06:09 PM
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Molly,
Do you have an specifics on how this happened? I would love to be armed with any information |
Yes I know all the specifics, but I don't want to put somebody else's problems on line. Maybe we can have coffee if you are in the area.
The only thing getting fracked here is water wells. It is rather common if you have a low producing well.
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11/02/13, 08:43 PM
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Fracking happens here in Okla a lot, and its messed up peoples water supply by either shutting it off completely, putting salt/sulpher into the water, or oil.
I don't have my name on my mailbox.
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11/03/13, 02:06 PM
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You are moving into an area the has been over run with Californians, some fine, many don't like the life style and leave. They have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I would take the plates off my cars and get ID plates the first day I was eligible. Never start a sentence with "in Ca we......" Do not volunteer you moved from CA, then complain about dirt roads, lack of police, lack of shopping. Do not call the sheriff to remove the bears from
your yard or pick up the garbage. They won't , but they will tell everyone. Make an effort to meet the neighbors. There is probably one person in the neighborhood that knows everyone end everything. Try to meet them and ask questions about the area.
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Can't stress enough the importance of all of this. You will do yourself a HUGE favor keeping the California thing a secret long as possible...once people know you are good people it will be fine  Good luck!
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11/03/13, 11:27 PM
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I live in northern Idaho. What area are you looking in?
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11/04/13, 07:43 AM
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DH and I started homesteading 4 years ago when we were both in our late 50s The best advice I can give you is don't bite off more than you can chew and work at a pace you can handle. We aren't 25 any more. That was our biggest hurdle and still is. We might not get things done fast but we get them done.
Good luck with your plans. You will never regret it.
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11/04/13, 09:08 AM
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Buffy in Dallas - my question was - do you know personally any wells that were contaminated by Fracking - that picture of water on fire has turned out to be a phony - if Fracking was contaminating wells the state and federal EPA would stop it - don't believe all that bull being put out by the anti crowd - they are against everything that produces energy other than green stuff -
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11/04/13, 09:37 AM
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Like you, we're starting down the same path and wishing we would have done it much earlier in our lives. We figure better late than never.
We're still trying to figure things out and hoping to be settled on property somewhere in the next 1 - 1 1/2 years.
I look forward to following your journey into homesteading.
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11/04/13, 03:30 PM
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Buffy in Dallas - my question was - do you know personally any wells that were contaminated by Fracking - that picture of water on fire has turned out to be a phony - if Fracking was contaminating wells the state and federal EPA would stop it - don't believe all that bull being put out by the anti crowd - they are against everything that produces energy other than green stuff -
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Personally, no, because I don't know anyone with a well and I don't live in a fracking area. Personally I wouldn't have any problem with it if they just put water down the wells but the fact that they are putting thousands of gallons of toxic chemicals down there and leave most of it. That's just wrong and irresponsible. Did you actually watch the videos and read the articles?
I don't want to disrupt the discussion here so feel free to have your opinion and I'll have mine.
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11/04/13, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LisaInN.Idaho
I live in northern Idaho. What area are you looking in?
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Hi Lisa,
We are currently considering three properties (however, we are still looking so haven't committed yet).
1 is in Bonner's Ferry (about 15 acres)
2 are in Cocolalla (one is 20 acres and one is 10)
I would love to hear anything you want to share !!!
janna
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11/04/13, 04:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
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Can't stress enough the importance of all of this. You will do yourself a HUGE favor keeping the California thing a secret long as possible...once people know you are good people it will be fine Good luck! |
I understand what you are saying and agree ... But, any ideas on how do we do that without lying? I mean won't it be natural for everyone we meet to ask where we are from?
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