I guess I should have expected it

Many of us don't live in the city or suburbs for a reason ! My water comes from a 300 foot deep well and I'm a far ways from any neighbor , city water is filtered and considered clean but that's not what I want to drink

Water in my area has all the laws it needs, gravity, it knows how to run down hill all by itself without directions from the EPA.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples habits." Mark Twain

The question is not can it run downhill it is what does it run through on it's way. And what will what it ran through do to you?

I don't live in a city or a suburb but I still get my water from the county.

In Minnesota, you own not only the patch of ground, but you own the space above and the earth beneath that patch as well, they skyway above you can be used by aircraft, and, the state can require you to grant access to the land below your land for pipelines, but other than that, it is yours, so the water that comes from clouds belongs to you.

On my farm it runs through my pastures. There doesnt seem to be much there that causes any harm to my cows or to the fish downstream. If there is I am pretty sure my state could deal with any of those kinds of issues.... we certainly do not need federal intervention.

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You could live in Maryland and pay their rain tax...

I've got a friend says it costs him $50 a month...

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/maryla...l-out-rain-tax

What’s more, the tax is convoluted and disorganized. It is levied annually on the amount of “impervious surface” that is on a property. According to Maryland’s state legislature, an impervious surface includes any area that prevents drainage from being absorbed into the ground. This means any roofing, driveways, or parking lots are subject to this tax. The thought was the more covered area, the more you pay.

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Kein Mitleid für die Mehrheit

Socialism is equated to the govt running your life, telling you a narrow set of rules that you must follow, no questions asked. Like the Borg in Star Trek.

Capitalism can get ugly when it is totally unregulated, and some of the better people at it are kinda slimy, but it more naturally follows human nature and is a better system if properly and lightly but firmly regulated. Like the Ferengi in Star Trek.

You feel like walking your hand after dealing with a Ferengi, but the Borg is a mortal enemy.

So too capitalism and socialism.

Paul

Not in Nebraska. Rain barrels, cisterns that harvest rain, gutter collection systems, ect... are illegal, as the state sold its rain water rights to Kansas many decades ago. I can drill a well and drain the aquafier from my property, but if I set out a bucket to catch rain water to give to my birds, I am breaking the law. Kansas, which is three hours from my house, owns the rain that falls on my roof.

If water falls from the sky, it must be allowed, unimpeded by any artificial collection system, to contact the surface of the surface of Nebraska, before it can be legally used.

I can divert water from my gutters to a drain, garden, pond, ect... but a water pan could land me in a legal hotspot.

Most all states have laws that must be followed but the EPA is the federal government making rules for every person to follow is all the states. What is right in some states is not right in others.

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If it is yours why do you pay them rent?

I don't care how wonderful their intentions sound, I don't care how reasonable they can make it seem.

They are an UNELECTED body that cannot be held accountable by a voting public. They are NOT our legislative body and yet they are allowed to make "regulations" which have all the same authority over us as laws.

Anything they have done that was a worthy and appropriate "law" could have and should have been done by our Congress. But the vast majority of rulings they have handed down have more to do with helping out their political affiliates, than actually helping the environment. They also do a fair amount of sheer extortion. Below is a great example of that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/bu...fuel.html?_r=0

You cannot continue to allow this organization to claim unconstitutional authority over anything. They should be stuffed into a more appropriate box of lobbying for things regarding the environment and leaving the actual law writing up to Congress.

I understand that some things will vary from state to state like water collection laws that were formed based on how much rain a state gets and how water usage is allotted. Western states tend to have very strict usage rules and that is their choice. But safety does not vary. That is why we have federal rules on things that can affect everyone's water and health.

For example: http://water.epa.gov/drink/standardsriskmanagement.cfm

Yep that means that my well water is not approved by the EPA and if you use well water it is not approve either.Does that mean that is is not good water no only that is is not approved by the EPA. Do you think that I should go through the EPA to get their approval of it?

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God must have loved stupid people because he made so many of them.

boy, you got that right. No need to even try.

Would things be better, if individuals - and not the Government, were individually responsible, for clean air and water?

That has already been tried and has failed miserably.

I was speaking for nearly every else in America.

Hopefully they may never come after you, but if they do, it will be interesting to see if you are still thumbing your nose at them.

Maybe, but not when it comes to air or water pollution - ever.

Capitalism will never self police, because any clean air and/or water pollutions controls - at all, will eat at the bottom line, where even a little is un acceptable.


If a business has the choice, of paying good money to store, haul away and recycle used solvents - or dump them somewhere, they will end up in the ditch - every time.

That's exactly why we have the EPA.

I have not followed Star Trek (at least in 30 years), but wasn't it just a TV show?

The EPA is only concerned with water quality, not water usage, or storage. That is usually determined by individual state regulation.

In my state we have a state health dept that is in charge of things such as water quality. I see no need in having the federal government involved in things of this nature. It is not only not part of their job description.... its forbidden by the Constitution. Amendment ten for those who may be interested.

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Sorry, we don't raise sheeple around here , The good ol boy system is alive and well here in the sticks and I'm Just a GOOD OL BOY !