Farmers face fines & jail for selling food direct to customer

arabian knight · #41 08/20/13, 10:51 AM

No they don't need one just like folks parking at this time of the year and selling corn out of the back of trucks.
WAY different type of handling issues in doing something like that.
Now IF a person was Cutting the Watermelon up and "packaging" them. Say wrapping them in clear plastic wrap like at the stores, or cutting up the cantaloupe and doing the something. THEN you would Come Under a NEW SET of rules and regulations, and certain conditions then must be met.
I know it is hard for some to see the difference, but there is a different in how a person handles such produce and what they can, and can not do without being inspected. One would be classified as Prepared, and one would not. Rules is rules, and a person must know them or get into trouble with the feds.

rambler · #42 08/20/13, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambereyes

Trying to understand the point of this regulation.

Lots of folks here along the border sell things like watermelon and cantaloupe out of trailers on the road side.. Normal thing same folks pretty much every year, does this mean they will have to get inspected and some kind of licensed?

Meat, eggs, and milk need special care to keep the bad germs out of them, and to keep chilled or processed to remain safe.

Milk especially, if raw, is just so very prone to getting bad bacteria in it.

Thus these foods tend to have a lot of regulations on them, as well as food made from these products.

Fruits and vegetables tend to have their own husks or costs on them, wash off easily, and tend to spoil before they become dangerous to eat.

So no, those things do not have the same rules and regulations on them.

Paul

Yvonne's hubby · #43 08/20/13, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

Yes the few bad apples around that don't take care and don't have much of a cleanliness program spoils it for those that do take proper precautions. And that is why the government steps in. They have to do this to protect the rest of the folks from those that are not going to do things correctly enough to provide clean food products. This is just good for all concerned. Has nothing to do with control but has a lot to do with the welfare of the public, which is under the constitution.

Few bad apples?!?! I seriously doubt there are very few farmers or merchants who would apply safe practices without government intervention. Further more I seriously doubt that with out government involvement that very many would even know what it takes. Does the name Mary Mallon ring any bells?

Grumpy old man · #44 08/22/13, 07:04 AM

1 more reason to move further OUT away from people who think they are more aware of what I'm eating and if I'm going to poison myself ,Family or friends . He who controls the food controls the people !

farmrbrown · #45 08/22/13, 07:21 AM

A farmer selling his wares has a personal interest in that food being safe. No customers = no money.
And implying that someone that grows or raises his own food for a living doesn't have the knowledge of what it takes to do it and do it safely is more than a little insulting.

Yvonne's hubby · #46 08/22/13, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by farmrbrown

A farmer selling his wares has a personal interest in that food being safe. No customers = no money.
And implying that someone that grows or raises his own food for a living doesn't have the knowledge of what it takes to do it and do it safely is more than a little insulting.

I am sure there are those few farmers or merchants who actually care... but to illustrate my point one only has to look at the practices that were in common use before the government stepped in and began regulating the distribution and retail sale of dairy products, meat and other food products. Farmers milked by hand, with far less than sanitary conditions, sold that milk untested for any disease or contaminants, same with the slaughter houses.... it was a buyer beware market and NOBODY checked up on anybody. I see no reason to believe that todays producers would view things any differently.

ET1 SS · #47 08/22/13, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

I am sure there are those few farmers or merchants who actually care... but to illustrate my point one only has to look at the practices that were in common use before the government stepped in and began regulating the distribution and retail sale of dairy products, meat and other food products. Farmers milked by hand, with far less than sanitary conditions, sold that milk untested for any disease or contaminants, same with the slaughter houses.... it was a buyer beware market and NOBODY checked up on anybody. I see no reason to believe that todays producers would view things any differently.

You are right, before testing existed nobody tested.

Before anyone knew about contaminants, there was no awareness of contaminants.

Before penicillin, much higher percentages of people also died from infections also.

Technology and science has made huge advances in safety and hygiene.

You are entirely correct. Before anyone knew any of these things, nobody tested for them.

Tabitha · #48 08/22/13, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JoePa

D the one political party wants big goverment - they want to control you from the cradle to the grave - the other party is mostly against big goverment - you can do your part by voting for the right party -

Oh really? I thought they were twiddle dum and twiddle dee.

Which one is the right one, I can't tell from your post.

Yvonne's hubby · #49 08/23/13, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

You are right, before testing existed nobody tested.

Before anyone knew about contaminants, there was no awareness of contaminants.

Before penicillin, much higher percentages of people also died from infections also.

Technology and science has made huge advances in safety and hygiene.

You are entirely correct. Before anyone knew any of these things, nobody tested for them.

So what about today? Tests are available, people know about them, but there are those who still refuse to play by the rules.... selling raw milk without testing under the guise of cowshares and such nonsense. Restaurants get busted all the time for failure to maintain known and required sanitary practices. When it comes to the bottom line.... its all about the bottom line. people like to turn a profit, and they are always looking for ways around the rules.... doing the right thing seems to take a back seat.

farmrbrown · #50 08/23/13, 07:11 AM

According to some, the answer is easy.
We just pass a law making it illegal if people don't do the "right thing", put the gov't in charge, and the problem will go away.
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Bellyman · #51 08/23/13, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Don't sell your food - give it away - but take donations from buyers - a sign can indicate suggested donations - -

That is an interesting idea. But will it stand up legally? In a court of law, would a judge rule that you're actually "selling" food even though you're just "taking donations"?

I don't know the answer, but it was something that came to mind.

As far as voting for the right party, I've pretty much given up on voting. In the past, I've voted for the people I've thought would be best for the job only to watch them go down in flames as some wack job gets voted in. I'm outvoted.

I do wonder how many people are withdrawing from not only the voting frauds that seem to be rampant, but also the economic support of an out of control government. Honestly, I don't have the desire to make a lot of money anymore. Just enough to get by will be fine with me. I don't want a handout and I don't want to be coddled from cradle to grave. I pretty much just want to be left alone. I suspect we'll probably fall into the category of not making enough money to have to pay for obamacare or any income taxes. We'll have to pay some sales tax and some property tax. Not sure if that's considered going "Gualt" or not. But we're just not gonna feed the beast. Let it starve.

farmrbrown · #52 08/23/13, 08:21 AM

Exactly.
Feed your family and friends.
Starve the Beast.

Yvonne's hubby · #53 08/23/13, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by farmrbrown

According to some, the answer is easy.
We just pass a law making it illegal if people don't do the "right thing", put the gov't in charge, and the problem will go away.
[/sarcasm off]

There are roughly 300 million people in this country, most of whom would like to eat about 3 meals a day without getting sick. Most of these folks do not realistically have the resources nor knowledge required to produce and store the variety of foods they require for a balanced diet. Easy? nope, feeding that many people isnt going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, we have put our governments in charge, and they have come up with a series of regulated systems that do a pretty fair job. Its not perfect, but it feeds the vast majority of our citizens safely and regularly while preserving a tremendous amount of free enterprise and personal choice at the same time. Perhaps you have a simpler system in mind? Would love to hear it.

ET1 SS · #54 08/23/13, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

There are roughly 300 million people in this country, most of whom would like to eat about 3 meals a day without getting sick.

You seem to have a big bug in your craw over this topic.

Of this 300 Million people, how many get sick today because of this imaginary issue?

That seems to be your premise. If we do not create new regulations, then 300Million people will be getting sick.

I do not see people today that are sick, so where are they?

arabian knight · #55 08/23/13, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

There are roughly 300 million people in this country, most of whom would like to eat about 3 meals a day without getting sick. Most of these folks do not realistically have the resources nor knowledge required to produce and store the variety of foods they require for a balanced diet. Easy? nope, feeding that many people isnt going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, we have put our governments in charge, and they have come up with a series of regulated systems that do a pretty fair job. Its not perfect, but it feeds the vast majority of our citizens safely and regularly while preserving a tremendous amount of free enterprise and personal choice at the same time. Perhaps you have a simpler system in mind? Would love to hear it.

Yes I agree and that is why a system has to be in place today. This country is not a small one like 100 years ago. Now we have such a mixed bag of folks from all over the world many with less then should be in the way of their system and having their body accustomed to a few bugs bad things in ones food that a farm family being grown up on eating a few things their system have built in immunity and THAT is your problem there are now 100 of millions of folks that just can't handle foods that have not been inspected and or pasteurized. And it is THOSE same folks that will sure the farm right from under a person to. We need to keep proper handling, and packaging and inspections in place, and comply with them IF you sell said products to the open public.

Yvonne's hubby · #56 08/23/13, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

I do not see people today that are sick, so where are they?

Nope, we dont have the kind of problems with the food supply today that we had prior to government setting up basic guidelines and regulations for the food industry relatively early in the last century. Of course I am quite positive that the producers and merchants down the line of supply would have all voluntarily spent the money required and set up safety measures and policed themselves just to be nice had the government not stepped in and required them to.

ET1 SS · #57 08/23/13, 08:31 PM

You entire argument then is B.S.

Yvonne's hubby · #58 08/23/13, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

You entire argument then is B.S.

Odd that since we have the system in place with its regulations and control and we dont see sick folks, but prior to having the regulations we had a LOT of people sick a lot of the time, many so sick they died.....yet you think that my argument is bs.

ET1 SS · #59 08/23/13, 11:18 PM

300Million people were NOT sick and dying last year from last year's health regs.

New and more strict food regs will not stop 300Million US citizens from dying.

Where are the 300Million sick today ?

Where are they?

Where?

Point them out to me.

The same goes for before testing existed. Before you walk away from that BS. Where are those sick and dead?

All this testing is new. Man has lived for thousands of years without this testing.

According to your claims Humanity all died from a lack of testing technology centuries ago. We didn't.

You say that 300Million are sick and dying. Fine. Where?

Yvonne's hubby · #60 08/23/13, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

300Million people were NOT sick and dying last year from last year's health regs.

New and more strict food regs will not stop 300Million US citizens from dying.

Where are the 300Million sick today ?

Where are they?

Where?

Point them out to me.

The same goes for before testing existed. Before you walk away from that BS. Where are those sick and dead?

All this testing is new. Man has lived for thousands of years without this testing.

According to your claims Humanity all died from a lack of testing technology centuries ago. We didn't.

You say that 300Million are sick and dying. Fine. Where?

First of all I never said 300 million people are sick and dying, nor did I say all humanity died from a lack of testing. What I said was that there are 300 million people in this country today who would like to be able to eat three meals a day. Thanks to regulations, testing and other safe guards most of these people will get up in the morning, have their breakfast and go on with their lives in relative safety from food borne illnesses. This has not always been the case. Before these regulations were installed, many people became ill.. and yes "some" died due to contaminated foods. Since we know that the current practices are much better at preventing these problems.... but not 100 percent, (we do still hear about cases of food poisoning) we keep working on the system to reduce the risk. The system isnt perfect, and probably never will be, but it is sure a whole lot better than it was 100 years ago.

As to this: "Before you walk away from that BS. Where are those sick and dead?" The sick either recovered, or joined the ranks of the dead... who are currently residing in graveyards.