off the grid? - Page 4 - Homesteading Today
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of Homesteading Today!    
Homesteading Today

Go Back   Homesteading Today > General Homesteading Forums > Homesteading Questions


Like Tree46Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #61  
Old 07/30/13, 08:41 AM
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 7,883
You decide you need supplies from "town"
You take your ATV "Over the river and thru the woods"" to where the car/truck is "safely" parked.......
OH my goodness . . .
The car/truck is still there . . . . .
But now it sits on 4 cement blocks........
Without wheels / tires.................


Yup thats good thinking.............
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 08/06/13, 09:03 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 15
I’m not off the grid but continually taking steps to be more self-reliant. Here are a couple of things you might research:
http://www.cordwoodmasonry.com/
http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp
I’m not making any comments for or against these ideas but I do plan on testing both by building a cordwood garden shed with a rocket stove built in, and an attached greenhouse constructed from old sliding glass doors from a Habitat for Humanity Restore. I bought Rob Roy’s book and plan to use cedar that is already down. It’s funny how once I started looking the number of cedars I’m finding that are already down and naturally debarked.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 08/07/13, 07:24 AM
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 7,883
.I have sat through a couple of Rob Roy's work shops . . . most interesting......
EastTNfarmer make sure you study on the double wall--with insulation in the middle . . . .seems like a good way to go.
You are fortunate to have a good source of cedar for your cordwood projects........
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 08/17/13, 05:11 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: GA
Posts: 56
Cellphone takes care of it all.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 08/17/13, 05:21 PM
Gray Wolf's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Eastern Washington state
Posts: 661
Cell phones seem to not work in a lot of off-grid places. We, and others we know, have mounted outside antennas that run to an inside amplifier and then to an inside antenna. Kind of like a personal cell tower to rebroadcast the signal. Wilson, among others, sells the gear.

Don
Web site: offgrid150.simpl.com
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 08/20/13, 10:24 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: New Zealand, Far North, North Island
Posts: 31
Our property has no cell coverage at all. We've tried a repeater but to no avail. The cell tower nearest is smack bang behind a HUGE rock lol
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 08/21/13, 06:35 AM
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: South Central VA
Posts: 468
In the first pages of this post Idea was to be off grid no 911. Well that's where we are at. We have no 911. The county knows we are here but since they don't want to have to maintain the road they act like we are not. Here there's a code that if there are 3 or more residences along a private road county has to maintain it. It works for me them leaving us alone. Yes we have gotten stuck on our road in a jeep. But I put 6" lift and 33s not a problem anymore. We have been living here five years now and love it. Its funny to come out and find the rest of the world is without power while we have been home and had no idea. So I'm here to say it can be done. I call our place A World Away!!!

Larry

A World Away!!!
2 miles from the grid and neighbors
Since 2008
unregistered358967 likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 08/21/13, 07:45 AM
lonelytree's Avatar  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Alaska
Posts: 2,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim-mi View Post
You decide you need supplies from "town"
You take your ATV "Over the river and thru the woods"" to where the car/truck is "safely" parked.......
OH my goodness . . .
The car/truck is still there . . . . .
But now it sits on 4 cement blocks........
Without wheels / tires.................


Yup thats good thinking.............
I know people that do this and have for years. No problems. You have to select your location carefully.

When I asked if I needed to secure my tools while building my cabin, I was told..... thieves don't survive here very long.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 08/21/13, 03:08 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Western WA
Posts: 85
someone was asking, and I said I'd get it, sorry I took so long. my commercial gas range/oven is a VULCAN G60LC. I tried to upload a photo of it, but it keeps telling me I have an invalid file.... still a noob at this whole forum thing...

a website that has one, (it's been discontinued but you can check it out if ya want) is: http://www.katom.com/207-G60LC.html

I think if I ever get another one, I'm going to go for the model that has the built in griddle and sacrifice a few burners. I love it. and since it's commercial, it's made to have the gas and pilot turned off. and if the pilot goes out, the gas will turn off. but like someone else said, there are certain things you have to do to be able to install commercial equipment in a residential location, but since I'm a chef by trade, there was no way I was going to be happy with a residential grade range/oven.

I know there was someone on here from Chelan county washington... do you know of any good bridge engineers?? we are pretty sure we have found our ideal property, and are trying to put it together, but the property is separated from the road by the Entiat river.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 08/21/13, 03:40 PM
Gray Wolf's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Eastern Washington state
Posts: 661
Before you worry about the bridge, please be aware that you are going to need a LOT of county, state and federal permits to build a bridge and the approach roads. There is no way you won't get caught. The Entiat River is very regulated.

As a retired consultant who did such things, I'd budget no less than $100,000 for permit fees, stream and wetland consultants, surveyors, engineers, planners, lawyers and inspections.

Then another $50,000 for multi-year bonds and insurances that you will be required to have.

Then comes the bridge and approach roads. How wide is the river where you are? Is the ground on each side of the river fairly flat? Lots of questions for later.

Sorry, but even if you have the funds, the process will take a few years and getting all the permits is not a given.

You need to talk to Chelan County planning, (state & federal) fish & wildlife departments, US Army Corps of Engineers, Washington State Department of Ecology, etc to evaluate your odds of building your bridge before you spend any more money.

Sorry
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 08/21/13, 03:49 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 8
internet

We've had a lot of success with internet by satellite. It's fast and $50/month. Line of sight wireless is available but it's necessary to have that line of sight to the tower, and some locations are nestled into the hills and so don't have that view. Finding the right technician is helpful. Seems like everyone wants internet these days. www.ranchoregon.com
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 08/21/13, 04:08 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Western WA
Posts: 85
thanks grey wolf! I was primarily trying to make sure I have all my bases covered. I've talked to department of transportation, department of ecology, chelan county, and fish and wildlife. The approach road TO the river is already built, but it terminates there. The agent said someone built some po-dunk thing and had to tear it down but since the approach road was permitted, it was left behind (I did check, and it was actually permitted) the span we are looking at is about 45-50 feet. need to have a surveyor go out there and measure it exactly. The army corps of engineers???? that one never would have crossed my mind in the least...

I have no intention of building anything without the proper permits in place. it's not the government I have an issue with. not that part of the government anyway.... (off topic there)

I'm aware that it will take a while to build, be liveable etc. I'm not looking to move out there a month after closing, although that would be nice, that's just not feasable. not only due to the permits, and river issues, but because I'm also getting a restaurant of my own off the ground, so I can't devote my time 100% to any one project at once. It will be fantastic once we are up and running, to have a source of income that won't bind me to a 9-5 m-f (I know, it will take YEARS to get my own restaurant to the point that I don't have to be there constantly)

we are writing it into the offer that if we find anything wrong during the feasability study, or any issues with permits, water rights etc. then we walk away, no repercussions.

I was hoping you might have someone you would recommend working with. I much prefer referrals over the yellow pages or google.

I grew up on a farm, my husband did not, and there's a self sustaining farm in washington somewhere that is open to culinary professionals to spend a week there, learning how to be more self sustaining, and less wasteful. I'm going to take my husband and our oldest child so that I'm not the only one that knows how to milk a cow or kill a chicken. And I'm not the only one that knows the value of composting.

I KNOW a bridge is expensive, and difficult. But since I have never built one before I want to make sure I have all my bases covered and the right person/people doing the job.

--also, someone mentioned proximity to work at $12 an hour. that's a job for now, not where we are going to be forever... I do have several other means to make money, and a $12 an hour job barely even computes to the motivation/thought process for finding our lifelong self sustaining off the grid little piece of the world.

also someone mentioned (maybe it was greywolf) that a commercial range/oven is overkill for most people. I TOTALLY agree. but since I'm a chef by trade, own a catering company, opening a restaurant, and have 5 kids 8 and under (i'm 30, not talking about taking all this on in my 60s here) it's perfect for us.

Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 08/21/13, 04:45 PM
Gray Wolf's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Eastern Washington state
Posts: 661
Corps gets involved because of something called NEPA and their jurrisdictopn over some wetlands, streams, rivera. You will have to go through NEPA. Your land use planner should know avout it.

Bridge..... For your bridge, I'd start by looking at surplused railroad cars. Outfits specilize on selling them for bridges. Build abutments and drop it on. Not quite that simple but .......

Good luck!

Don
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 08/21/13, 05:27 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Western WA
Posts: 85
good to know. I'll have to research and figure out how to work that (the NEPA thing)

good idea about the railroad cars too. do you know what kind of a load they can handle? and can they be open top or only enclosed? I will have times that I have to get my refer trailer across that thing. I know the bridge is going to cost me more than the house... such is life sometimes.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 08/21/13, 09:39 PM
Gray Wolf's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Eastern Washington state
Posts: 661
A search for "railroad car bridges wa" will get you to lots of info. Looks like they can get as long as 90'. You will need a flatcar bridge so tall/wide loads can get across.
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 08/22/13, 08:06 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 59
we use a new thing called a ''mi/fi''. from Verizon...20.00 a month
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
When is off the grid not really off the grid? haypoint General Chat 24 04/29/13 12:28 PM
article: 10 realizations - Eastern power grid failure.... AngieM2 Survival & Emergency Preparedness 29 07/04/12 10:15 AM
Switching between grid and battery backup greg273 Alternative Energy 7 05/28/11 08:07 PM
Remedial question on grid tied solar panels Jokarva Alternative Energy 30 11/07/10 11:19 AM
Off grid..........why? Cornhusker Homesteading Questions 53 11/18/06 08:13 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:35 AM.
Contact Us - Homesteading Today - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top - ©Carbon Media Group Agriculture