Saw the other side of meth

You completely missed the point I was making that you dont have to be a pot smoker to become addicted to meth which the other poster stated ...that naivete is part of the reason its so hard to combat this menace because so many people are still parroting memes learned in Jr High.

You just keep remembering that old black and white anti drug movie short of the crazed marijuana user who turned into a wolf man and you keep believing that only someone who smoked pot would ever get into trouble with meth...that should work.

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I really believe and have seen that meth is a unique substance, unlike alcohol, pot, cocaine etc. It appears to be much more addictive and while I have met many many people who smoked a little meth on the occasional weekend I have never met any person who shot meth every weekend or two. It seems that the come down from IV use of this drug is quite miserable and the only way to feel better (like with alcohol) is to continue to use the substance to ward off the fall. They can all kill you it is just a matter of how quickly and how much you have to use to accomplish the kill. Personally I think people who manufacture meth should be overdosed on meth and left to rot in the hot desert near fire ant hills.

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I've seen the terror wreaked on a woman and her children by a meth addled husband. The woman went into hiding for a short period.

The husbands body was found in a swamp near a river not long after. His 'murder' has remained unsolved.

I realise this is what you believe this . But I have personal experince with people on both. some have only used meth , some only pot, some pot then meth and some meth then pot. the point is that drugs efect people in different ways so saying that everyone on meth started with pot is to simplistic.

when is meth sold legal ? when did a background check work for antything ?

I spent better than 20 years as a cop seeing all the wonderful things drugs, alcohol, etc. cause in our culture. IMO anyone defending pot as no more harmful or dangerous than tobacco, if not less dangerous, is just defending their habit/addiction. I grew up in the 60's and 70's and I've seen it all. Pot isn't as bad as some other stuff, but defending it as a benign substance is simply foolish. Making the argument it never leads to harder drugs is foolish. Anyone making the argument that people using illegal drugs are somehow victims of a repressive gov't or anything like that are truly beyond my understanding. I don;t care if it's booze, drugs, porn, computer games or whatever your addiction/habit is. All of it can lead to problems, some worse than others. That goes for me and my coffee too.

We have here in our county, a former deputy sheriff and mayor who was just arrested for buying meth.
http://www.bringmethenews.com/2013/0...f-buying-meth/
What I can't understand is, when he has seen the ugly, ugly side of meth, why he would then become a user?

Yes, for a while they can stop and start. But as it continues the time between becomes shorter and shorter. And if the local law wants to prove it they can test for it if they can bust for something else, you know, heres the cup, use it....if they order the ramdom test for the first day back, he might test dirty. The life of meth in urine is pretty short (not like maryjane which lasts weeks)

My daughter was a using addict for many years, she has been well for 5 but I will never forget watching the slide to the bottom.

It seems mankind has a long history of needing ways to alter reality. Many things have been made and used for thousands of years for that purpose. Something in the human makeup seems to crave altered reality. You even see it in children who will spin around in a circle until they get dizzy and fall down and then laugh about it.

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If car manufacturers produced cars that killed one in ten of the people who drove them, they would be in jail. Same should be true with people who make or sell any illegal drug. To kill for the sake of money, to use without being responsible for the other dragged down is ugly.
Alchohol has a long history and is impossible to irradicate. Saying some drug or another is no worse than alcohol is no excuse. It's like the thought processes of a child saying "Everyone's doing it."
Maybe there are plenty of pot smokers out there being totally functional into old age. Maybe the only reason I'm aware that some old fool smokes pot is that they behave with poor judgement and lack of understanding. I think it is more likely that potheads have impaired judgement about themselves as well as other things.
I'm always amazed at the number of people who come out of the woodwork to defend their pot use while they are totally absent when anything not involving pot is going on. It's like there are two totally seperate worlds- one for pot heads, which is their sole interest, and one for everyone else.

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Maybe Bloomberg will spend a few million to get a few hundred laws passed against meth because "he cares about the children"

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This thread seems to demonstrate quite clearly the two sides of the debate.

One side that believes what one does in private that doesn't harm anyone else is none of the state's business and should not be a crime. But if said user does commit a come against another person or property the should be prosecuted.

The other thinks that what one does in private is society's business and that through passing laws society can force people to exercise "good judgement".

Seems that those two sides are diametrically opposed. This is why these issues should be a state or even county matter, not a federal one IMHO. The societal norms in Oregon and Colorado aren't the same as Nebraska or Utah. That's why our founders wanted a Republic, not a democracy.

I know a lady who has a similar story as original post. She lived in orgeon an moved all the way to upstate New York to get away from him cause he was going to kill them. My daughters mother has a serious drug problem I have sole custody now. I got my daughter before anything serious happened.

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I claim the last post that offended u

Bret, I also grew up in the 60s and 70s so that gives you no unique insight and no where in my post did I defend marijuana use or state I was a user or justified anything...I mean seriously, your response to my post sounds like you never even read it. I also never stated that marijuana use never led to other things; that is purely your rigid non-analytical mind that cannot see the forest for the trees. Again, I clearly stated that its a serious mistake to pigeon hole all meth users as only afflicting pot smokers...you either never worked narcotics or you have been out of the business before Meth became the scourge that it is because no one working with the meth problem is that deluded.

I am not a drug user of any kind and I have been employed since the mid 1970s in either the military or department of corrections where we had powerful incentive not to start to use (and an added incentive in the form of random urinalysis since the early 1980s) so your post is pretty offensive. You dont smoke weed or use other drugs, you apparently dont drink (also a drug), look at porn, play computer games or do any of the other things you equate with the downfall of civilization...good for you. That has nothing to do with meth use or the effects that meth has on the individual, the family unit, or society in general.

Law enforcement and the government has lost the war on drugs by virtually all measures and simplistic and often wildly incorrect assumptions, a stilted knowledge base, and failure to adapt to the ever changing drug culture is equally to blame along side pure politics. If you were a LEO for 20 some years you probably remember the problem we had with "Crank" back in the late 60s through early 80s...and that "Crank" was a low grade meth...it just morphed to an easy to manufacture crystalline form and now we are combating bath salts and other synthetic drugs.

Combating meth would be easier (and allow then for a focus on importation of same) by outlawing pseudo ephedrine (or making it prescription only) which is required to make it.....two states have done it but bring it up and people go nuts lest their dependance on allergy meds be inconvenienced. IMO focusing efforts on a naturally occurring plant like marijuana that causes considerably less harm is just a waste of resources and as has been demonstrated...its a failed strategy.

But by all means, overly demonize marijuana and focus on that "evil"; maybe after decades of failure as a drug control strategy it will eventually pan out...I mean, prohibition worked out well didnt it?

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For many of us, it isn't a dependence on allergy meds.

It can be life or death.

If heaven forbid your other asthma meds run out or malfunction somewhere you cannot reach a dr, the local store with Sudafed may actually save your life.

Actually Salmon, it's was Coup that stated all meth users started with pot, not me. I think it's probably true though. My beef is with the rabid defense of pot that is displayed whenever the subject comes up. I think post 31 hits the nail on the head as far as the defense goes.

And for Steve in post 33, I'm not saying laws will change anything. I just refuse to believe that intoxication form any substance is benign and does no harm. Doesn't matter what it is, legal or illegal, it's bad for people and for our society as a whole.

Thanks for that link scooter. I don't follow much news this timr of year. Actually anytime of year. After scanning through the articles I'm beginning to believe we're like the rest of the world.

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Unfortunately, drug use almost never stays at home, even pot use. The children who don't get much parenting and grow up on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because that is what a 5 year can make on their own, the use of public resources because they don't hold down a job, the fires that come from grow lights, the ill health later in life that causes a burden on health care dollars, etc.

And it is little consulation to the family that has their child killed in an impairment caused accident that the fool who did it gets a couple of years in jail.

It's the same philosophy that says owning property give the right to pollute without limit. Pollution doesn't stay home. Neither do druggies.

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I disagree! I think a lot of meth users started with Ritalin and the legal prescription form of meth called Desoxyn. I know of several young men who were prescribed ADHD medications as children and are now suffering from an addiction to the street form, as they can't get a script for the legal one. Dont forget the housewives who take the legal form for weight loss and get addicted to the high and energy it gives them, only to lose their scripts for it legally. Just food for thought.

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