ISO Good read for someone against eating farm rasied

I ordered a used copy of a Teens Guide to Vegetarian.

I think DH would have a fit selling our goats & buying more. If we sell the goats & buy a different type of local meat that could work.
I am sure she won't go 100% vegetarian. I think more like selectatarian. She will select her favorite meats to eat--- as long as we don't make a big deal about choosing to stop meat. I know if we turn it into a big deal she will just push back harder to make a point.

I have to go along this line of thinking. We are not fixing anything different for you to eat. If you dont want what we are eating, fix what you want, but clean up when youve finished.

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That's not what Miss Kay is talking about. There are some breeds of livestock that are critically endangered. Because these animals grow slower, smaller or just don't do well in confinement, they are not raised by the CAFO's. So the only way to keep them around is to have small farms raise them up. But farms don't raise "pets" and farms need to make money on them some how, so some one has to want to buy them. The best way to sell livestock is for breeding stock or meat. So in a way, if you don't find people to buy these animals to eat then they will become extinct. We lose heritage breeds of livestock all the time yet all you hear about are the polar bears.
We raise Mulefoot hogs. They are labled critically endangered by the American Livestock breeds conservcy, http://www.albc-usa.org/. They don't do well in confinement, are a slower growing smaller pig that produces to much lard for commercial farms to have an interest in them. But they have the best meat on them of any pig IMO, and your could make a years worth of pies from the beautiful lard they provide. I wouldn't be able to raise very many of them though if I didn't sell them for meat and stock. Please take a minute and go to the albc's wep page and just take a look around. There are people there who truly love theses animals and are doing their best to keep them around. I'm not trying to make anyone eat meat, but choosing to not eat meat don't mean you should stop learning some of the reasons some of us choose to raise our own.

That being said, maybe you could have your dd check them out too. I don't know that it will make a difference but it might give her some insight.

I have been a vegetarian for 35 years and I am healthy and take no medications. It is a much healthier diet (when done right, potato chips and cola are not good choices). I am lacto-ovo vegetarian not vegan so I eat dairy and eggs.

I have to disagree with Marilyn, "Diet for a Small Planet" and "Recipes for a Small Planet" are very out dated and the recipes, for the most part are enough to send anyone back to eating meat. I recommend Mark Bittman's "How to Cook Everything Vegetarian" as a cookbook. Also, Deborah Madison's and Annie Somerville's books. There are tons of great vegetarian recipes online and even mainstream cookbooks offer vegetarian recipes. It isn't all tofu and bean sprouts.

As fireweed farm said the SAD has way too much protein in it and all would be healthier by cutting down on it. Combining foods in strict proportions to make a complete protein was proven unnecessary decades ago.

If you think vegetarian food is "boring" or won't fill you up let me tell you what Sunday dinner will be. Homemade artichoke, goat cheese and almond ravioli, wild mushroom ravioli, tomato sauce from home grown tomatoes, salad - arugula, baby greens, carrots, bean sprouts, avacado and blood orange, - Boston cream pie.

Perhaps some compromise would work. You make one or two vegetarian meals per week and on the days that you eat meat she makes something she wants. Eggs and all of the side dishes you are serving or just the side dishes, for example.

I agree that a talk about the difference in the humane way that your animals are treated as opposed to the horrible way that commercial meat is produced and a reminder that if she is going to eat meat then it is good to take responsibility for the life and death of the animal that she will eat would be in order.

Have you considered letting her have one of the goats as a pet, with an absolute promise that that particular animal will never end up on the table or in the freezer? But also with the understanding that the other animals are food, and are to be viewed as such. Raised with care and compassion, and given a humane end, of course, but still, food to feed the family.

Well said. I think you nailed it. My daughter went through a "vegan" stage for about 2 days. I threw the rib eye down for her mother and I and we ate it in front of her. She has since reverted to her "meatatarian" roots.

You’re preaching to the choir here fireweed farm. Is all livestock going to go extinct? Of course not because people are never going to stop eating meat but because they are raised in factory farms, only a few breeds will be left. The ALBC is working hard to preserve heritage livestock and we as a small farm do our part but if our customers do not buy them to eat, I will stop raising them (raised on pasture I might add). Read this article and you’ll see what we are losing every day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090401246.html

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I went thru this for a few years with my 14 yr old daughter. I was grateful that this was the worst teenage rebellion that was able to come up with.

She started highschool and made some new friends.She declared that she was only going to eat vegetable soup and tuna. I told her tuna fishes have a face and tuna fishes have a mom but she didnt care. She plastered her room with PETA posters. She got a summer job at a fast food joint. We referred to it as McHypocrites.

We had just moved to our homestead and I was raising all our own meat. She named each and every critter, including the meat birds (Snowball1, Snowball 2, Snowflake 1, Snowflake 23 etc). One of the baby turkeys adored her and followed her everywhere. For a summer, Tommy the turkey poult got to ride the 4 wheeler, wear silly hats and have his toenails painted.
When it was time for Tommy to take the bus to camp with the other turkeys, I relented and said she could keep him. I made it clear that she was doing Tommy no favours and sure enough, she found him dead from a overindulged fat turkey heart attack a few months later.

I cooked huge Sunday dinners for the rest of us. I didnt fuss about what she did eat, just made sure that there was always vegetable soup and tuna available.

We all survived. She eats meat today, as long as it isnt 'real' meat.

I have a fieance that says the same crap she isnt going to eat the animals we raise. And I've tried to explain how much better they are over store bought crap.That's fine by me though if she wants to eat crap she can buy it but yummy and the rest of his friends are still going to die and be eatten by the rest of the family.And this is coming out of the mouth of a woman who is 42 and just ate a real steak for the first time a few months ago.She grew up pretty poor and I'm trying to get her to try things she hasn't ever got to eat.

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I cheatd,

My DD was a little younger than yours, but she loved animals and did not really like the taste of meat. So she wanted to become a vegetarian.

"Well, OK, but that means no more cheeseburgers. They come from cows"

She gave a horrified gasp! Cheeseburgers was about the only kind of meat she actually enjoyed! So, she tried sto say that maybe she could only eat a cheeseburger some of the time, but I said "Nope. If you feel it is wrong to eat meat I will respect it, but if it is wrong to eat meat then it is wrong to eat a cheeseburger".

She thought about it for a couple of days, then decided that she was not a vegetarian.

And, I never made her eat more than a bite or three of her meat: as long as she was eating fried egg sandwiches for lunch I knew she was eating OK! While she was in her teens I was going through 3+ dozen eggs a week, and she ate almost all of them! LOL!

Oh, yes. I have never succeeded in eating any of our chickens. I have put down a few when I had to, but there is no way that I could eat them..

I can, of course, eat somebody ELSES chickens! No problem!

But, I would remember that "This chicken was striped when he hatched, and he tasted my fingers. He also loved noodles when I took out table scraps".

I could not eat an animal I raised, either. My flock are all layers, and I give away the extra roosters. It is not logical, but it is me. My stomach always hurts when I have to kill one of my birds.

Never name your dinner.

We raised (3) pigs, Bacon, Ham, and Sausage... they sure tasted good!!!

I am among those who never catered to my children when it came to eating. When I prepared meals, they were required to eat a little of everything, including what they didn't like. If there was something that literally gagged them, they could elect to stop eating it (after a few times). Then, it would be reintroduced to them again. Since I prepared a wide variety of foods, both my children grew up to have diverse taste. Empty nest here, and I am blessed to have a 2nd DH who enjoys a wide variety of foods, too. I can prepare anything I want and he will eat it. Here is my 24 yr old DD...eating RAW OYSTERS:

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