Ya wanna feel like an idiot?

Picture a hose with a piece of pipe about the same size on the end. Stick the pipe in the ground and turn on the water. keep a little pressure downward and it will " wash " a hole down until you stop.

My dad dug 2 wells and I dug one with a old twist post hole auger. It takes a while, twist down about 8" and come up to clean out and back down again and repeat. The wells were from 18 to 40 feet deep. We would add pipe to the handle 8' at a time to keep going deeper. When it wont pick up any more dirt and comes up covered with wet sand, you're there. Put your sand point on the casing and set it. Let the water seep in and run a hose from an air compressor in and flow it a while and there is your well.

Dad also got his hands on a swivel head and made a fish tail bit and hooked it up to a 2" water pump. But to turn the drill pipe he used a pipe wrench. It too, took a while, but it got the job done.

__________________
" Do or do not, there is no try. " - Yoda

FBB when I was a kid I would take the water hose with the water turned on and stick the end of the hose to the dirt and push a little----the water pressure will wash the dirt out the way and the hose will keep going deeper. That is how washing a well down works.

The Guy in this youtube video is washing down a well---in slow motion--LOL. He is probably got less than 10 gallons per minute of water washing out the dirt. I had rather take a farm water tank and pump---go draw 1000 gallons of water and come back and hook the farm pump to the pipe and pump about 100gpm into that pipe and watch it go into the dirt. If I do not have a good water source close by, like a pond etc. I dig 2 holes a few feet away from where I am washing down the well. The closer hole will be a sand/dirt trap and the second hole will be where the farm pump is setup. I will have a shallow ditch dug from where the pipe is being washed down to the first hole then another shallow ditch from the first hole to the second hole. I fill the second hole with water then start washing down the well the water coming out the well hole will flow into the first hole which most of the dirt in the water will settle to the bottom then the water will flow to the second hole and be repumped to keep washing down the well. You will keep adding water to the second hole from the water tank you got sitting there as needed. You will have to shovel out some dirt/sand from the first hole to keep it from filling up and you might have to go get another tank of water.

Keep in mind what I posted above. I washed down a 52ft deep well and had the pump hooked to the new well pumping water in 55 minutes after starting. I had a close by water source and was using a 3hp gas farm pump pumping about 100gpm into the 3" pvc I was washing down. This guy in this video it washing down 2" pipe. He just does not have enough water flow----But he is getting it done.

You don't need to rim to hold more than a few turns of rope. Wrap the rope a couple of turns around the rim, then pull the rope to tighten it on the rim. That gives it friction against the rim. Look on Youtube for "capstan winch"...Joe

Here is a guy working with one lifting and lowering. Didn't watch the whole thing, but I didn't see him drop anything, but you can imagine how it works.....Joe

I watched it, the vid. That would work fine with the tractor as I stated, not haveing a fender to go around, Not bhaveing to make an extended wheel to get out from around the fender, and I could p;ut it in a gerar suitable to me, and set the gas and not have to have someone running the gas, or high setting the idle. Thanks for finding it.

FM Thanks for finding that vid. Ive already watch a 1/2 doz of it.
If as you say, the water volumn he is useing in the vid is to low. What size pump, and hose would you recommend?

In his setup, Would forcing air also with the water be a help?

FBB read the part I wrote below the video, I tell you how to setup to get more water than he is using.

FM I dont know what your callin g a farm pump, BUT your saying a pump that will push 100GPM or better.
OK I read it again. Got a better understanding of it.
Do you case in a washed down well?
Do you apply (mud) to a washed down well?

Sorry, i call this a farm pump http://www.agrisupply.com/hypro-powe...55/&sid=&eid=/ every farmer I know has several---LOL. Using a 2" discharge hose hooked to the pvc wash down pipe will make it sink fast---if you do not hit something Hard. I wash down the 3" and drop 2" pipe inside, then allow the water pressure to push the 3" back up. Where I live the dirt will fall in and seal the pipe all by itself. I have never had to do anything else.

So No casing.
No Mud!

ok I looked in Northern catalog and they got them. Your says nothing about being a trash pump, so i assume a clear water pump will work, which is much cheaper than a trash pump. They have 2in hose also.

FBB if I were you I would Do the test I described in my first post about this before I went and bought a bunch of expensive things.

So how would you ever pull the pipe to service the well? Its needed now and again.

We always had the sand point on the casing and then ran the pump pipe inside that.

__________________
" Do or do not, there is no try. " - Yoda

Im supposeing that it has a sub pump which could be pulled out the tube after it hitting the desired depth.

Never had to pull one, why would it need to be pulled to be serviced? BUT if I need to get the pipe out the dirt it would not take long to rewash down the 3" around the 2" and remove the 2". The one that is next to my pond has been down at least 20 years and I see no need to pull it. What would I service?

I have the sand point and my pumps are attached to the casing/only pipe there. I have no drop pipe.

Well, we used submersible pumps and they do go out. And windmills have to be serviced with new leathers on occasion. I just asked a question because I have never seen a water well that only had the one pipe. Not saying they dont exist or work, but I have never seen one.

__________________
" Do or do not, there is no try. " - Yoda

FM U use surface pumps? Like pressure pumps? Thats all ive ever used.

I understand, they do exist here anyway. About every well I have ever used since a child was a sand point with one pipe----all considered shallow wells here. I had a deep well drilled in 1978 and it did have a drop pipe inside the casing.


FBB all my pumps are above ground. I have a 3hp electric Berkley centrifugal pump on one well that is 52ft deep, a gas 5.5hp "farm Pump" on one well 30ft deep and a 3/4hp shallow well pump on one well 50ft deep running on solar. All 3 of these wells are on my farm with a 240ft deep well I had drilled. I washed down the 52ft well about 20+ years ago. The 50ft about 13 years ago, the 30ft 3 years ago. I have helped several others wash down their wells on their land over the last 20 years and most of them are running centrifugal pumps so they can get the most GPM out of the wells. Some use them for sprinkler systems.

If one is "in" with the local fire department, a tanker often has the best pump in the area for this work....Just sayin'......Joe

The best way is one that works. So can you make any of them work?

yup. Think I can now.