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03/27/13, 07:42 PM
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Well darn. I'm paranoid now.  I love a big glass of raw milk and the butter and ice cream. And I'm a milk lover, but I won't drink processed milk.
CDC and FDA... haha... claim raw milk is the riskiest foods to consume.
Always something!
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03/27/13, 08:57 PM
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The dirty 10 according to Men's Health are:
1. Chicken
In one study cited by Men's Health, more than 40 percent of chicken samples contained bacteria that can sicken, including E. coli.
2. Ground Beef
Simply because of the way ground beef is made through heavy processing, it has the potential to be loaded with deadly E. coli bacteria and more.
3. Ground Turkey
One in four packages of ground turkey tested by Men's Health contained bacteria. This becomes a greater concern as more people substitute ground turkey for ground beef thinking it's a healthier alternative.
4. Oysters
Beware of raw oysters! Many are tainted not only with bacteria, but also the Norovirus.
5. Eggs
The incredible edible egg is also associated with more than 600,000 cases of food poisoning each year and more than 300 deaths. Cook eggs completely and never eat them raw.
6. Cantaloupe
Cantaloupe rinds often contain dangerous bacteria that are hard to wash away. Cut through that rind with a knife and the bacteria can be transferred to the fruit.
7. Peaches
This favorite juicy summer fruit is dangerous because the peach fuzz makes it difficult to clean off all the pesticides.
8. Pre-Packaged Tossed Salads
These bagged salads are one of the greatest conveniences of the past decade, but they can also be one of the biggest sources of food poisoning since the contents are often contaminated with E. Coli, according to Men's Health.
9. Cold Cuts
It looks like delicious shaved ham or turkey to you. But it could contain the dangerous bacteria Listeria, which is especially risky for infants and the elderly. Listeria can be spread by the deli slicer, and it can even grow in a cold refrigerator. What can you do? Experts advise you to transfer the deli meat to a fresh package when you get home and only buy enough for one week at a time.
10. Scallions
If these green onions are left uncooked, they have the potential to become bacterial breeding grounds. They've also been linked to fatal outbreaks of Hepatitis-A.
Now excuse me while I go fix a rare burger with a slice of deli smoked ham, some raw milk cheese, some bagged lettuce and a really sunny side egg on it. I may even finish with a slice of cantaloupe and some fresh peaches.
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03/27/13, 09:19 PM
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OK, now I can't stop thinking about your ice cream. Mind sharing your raw milk recipe???
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03/27/13, 09:39 PM
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I did some further research and found that pasteurization was initially used to prolong shelf life.
All of the salmonella cases in the last decade came from pasteurized milk.
And now that they have duped the American people into believing that the only safe milk comes from big corporations, they have started Ultra-pasteurization. The purpose of this is to prolong shelf life even longer, so that the big milk corporations can monopolize and gobble up the smaller companies. UP allows these companies to transport milk all across the country and still get it to your table in all of its dead glory.  The protein is completely denatured and you might as well drink water.
Figures. I should have known. (Similar to an Ex GMO Monsanto executive working for the FDA.)
I'm off to have a big cold glass of raw milk!
And ice cream as soon as the strawberries come in.
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03/27/13, 09:58 PM
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OK, now I can't stop thinking about your ice cream. Mind sharing your raw milk recipe???
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Here's mine:
2 cups of heavy whipping cream
6 cups milk
2 cups sugar
2 teaspoons vanilla
4 oz. whipped cream
1 box instant vanilla pudding
Mix well & pour into ice cream maker & that's it!
Can't remember where I got this recipe, but it is very good! I make gallons of it every year. I'll actually be making 6 gallons tomorrow. Everyone that tries it, loves it.
We drink our goat milk raw. I am very clean with the handling & getting it strained & chilled quickly. One big difference between goats & cows is the poop factor. In the 10 plus years of milking I have had a goat poop on the stand 2 times. When they do, it just rolls away. Unlike a cow that poops & splatters everywhere. Goats are way cleaner than cows. I clip udders & under their bellies. I then wipe down with a wipe & paper towel. Squirt the first couple of squirts out to check for anything abnormal. Milk into a stainless steel bucket with a half moon lid. Bring it in to the house & strain it & place in a container of ice water to get it chilled down quick. Then into the refridgerator where it is kept in glass. We are drinking milk that is a week old & it tastes great!
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03/27/13, 11:08 PM
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I was drinking raw milk from a farmer in SC where it is legal to sell it but I really wanted milk from animals that were not fed GMO grain so I bought some goats and a cow. I have gone almost 4 months without milk because I refuse to buy it from the store. I am raising my girls on raw milk that comes from our livestock and I intend to continue this until I am unable to do so (a good 30+ years if I'm lucky).
If you know where you food is coming from and have seen how it is raised and treated you are so much safer than letting the FDA/USDA regulate what you are buying at the store.
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03/28/13, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley
If you know where you food is coming from and have seen how it is raised and treated you are so much safer than letting the FDA/USDA regulate what you are buying at the store.
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FDA/USDA nor any other part of the US Government regulates the sale of raw milk within any state. Each state has their own regulatory board and regulations. For example, SC allows sale on and off farm, TX allows it to be sold on the farm, and TN allows cowshares.
www.realrawmilkfacts.com
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03/28/13, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Paquebot
FDA/USDA nor any other part of the US Government regulates the sale of raw milk within any state. Each state has their own regulatory board and regulations. For example, SC allows sale on and off farm, TX allows it to be sold on the farm, and TN allows cowshares.
www.realrawmilkfacts.com
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Didn't say it did.
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03/28/13, 08:07 AM
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Ya gotta know that any newspaper article coming from the state is going to be 99.9% negative as they keep on demonizing any and all who want / produce 'raw milk.
I have been looking for "cow shares" . . . . . .but most have been to far away (diesel fuel) to be worth following up on..
You are fortunate to have a good source "across the road"
Yes we need even more gobermint rules and regs...........................................
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03/28/13, 09:02 AM
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We have been drinking raw goats milk for the last 2 years or so. Up until about 6 weeks ago when our goats kidded I had to drive to PA to get raw milk since Maryland is determined to protect me from myself by outlawing raw milk sales. Now that we have our own supply life is good.
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03/28/13, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Paquebot
FDA/USDA nor any other part of the US Government regulates the sale of raw milk within any state. Each state has their own regulatory board and regulations. For example, SC allows sale on and off farm, TX allows it to be sold on the farm, and TN allows cowshares.
www.realrawmilkfacts.com
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"Even though what he does is perfectly legal, he said, "the USDA doesn't have to follow state law."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...bated/1889987/
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03/28/13, 11:22 AM
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I'm regretting not buying a bred heifer when I got the Guernsey girls. As soon as they get old enough, I'll have that wonderful A@A2 milk.
Of course, in Indiana, they hound you even if you're doing cow shares, so the lovely, LIVE milk will be used to feed calves after I get my share.
Who was it that said government was a necessary evil? They were right! The government is all good with putting Aspartame in the milk supply; a known carcinogen, but don't DARE put a live food product in your mouth! My guess is that they want the population to be sick and dependent on drugs to live.
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03/28/13, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in IN
I'm regretting not buying a bred heifer when I got the Guernsey girls. As soon as they get old enough, I'll have that wonderful A@A2 milk.
Of course, in Indiana, they hound you even if you're doing cow shares, so the lovely, LIVE milk will be used to feed calves after I get my share.
Who was it that said government was a necessary evil? They were right! The government is all good with putting Aspartame in the milk supply; a known carcinogen, but don't DARE put a live food product in your mouth! My guess is that they want the population to be sick and dependent on drugs to live.
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I read this morning in our TN state paper, that raw milk from herd shares had to be sold as 'pet food'. And it seems to me that the only one's concerned about raw milk consumption is the government. The statistics on raw milk bacteria poisoning are very low in the state, where even the bacteria source cannot be accurately determined.
A doctor interviewed simply said, know your source and did not think that herd shares were bad.
But what I am concerned about is the slick ambulance chasing attorneys. In court they could only cite unreliable statistics based on undeterminable bacteria sources.
One case here in TN the state could not discern whether the poisoning bacteria came from the raw milk or their well water.
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03/28/13, 01:12 PM
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I drink my goat's milk raw every day with no problems.
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03/28/13, 01:14 PM
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I've drunk raw milk my whole life and never gotten sick from it.
Except..... Now I have Lyme disease- have had it for about 10 years.
They've found live Lyme bacteria in cow's milk.
Raw milk could have been the source of the infection, in my opinion.
I'll never drink raw milk again.
I'll never get over the Lyme disease (it's incredibly tenacious) but why risk reinfection?
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03/28/13, 01:30 PM
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I've drunk raw milk my whole life and never gotten sick from it.
Except..... Now I have Lyme disease- have had it for about 10 years.
They've found live Lyme bacteria in cow's milk.
Raw milk could have been the source of the infection, in my opinion.
I'll never drink raw milk again.
I'll never get over the Lyme disease (it's incredibly tenacious) but why risk reinfection?
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Large Lyme disease infection from being bitten by a tick here in TN. I wish they could find a cure/preventative. I hope you can feel better soon.
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03/28/13, 02:41 PM
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I have been drinking raw goats milk from my own goats for 15 years-both of my children have been raised on raw goats milk. However, I will not drink raw milk from anyone elses farm. I'm just picky about that!
I freeze milk for use over the winter when my girls are dry.
I do have a concern about the mayo container you are putting it in. If it is plastic, I am not covinced that you can get that pouous material sanitzed well enough to keep using the same container over and over again. My personal preference is glass 1/2 gallon canning jars. Glass is not pourous and can easily be sterilized in the dishwasher. The canning jars have a wide mouth which makes them easy to clean.
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03/28/13, 02:48 PM
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Excellent link which confirms my reply but you apparently missed the next paragraph after that statement?
"The U. S. Department of Agriculture referred questions to the Food and Drug Administration which issued a statement saying that states regulate the sale of raw milk."
Repeat, USDA and FDA have no control over the sale of any milk, raw or otherwise, within each individual state.
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03/28/13, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Paquebot
Excellent link which confirms my reply but you apparently missed the next paragraph after that statement?
"The U. S. Department of Agriculture referred questions to the Food and Drug Administration which issued a statement saying that states regulate the sale of raw milk."
Repeat, USDA and FDA have no control over the sale of any milk, raw or otherwise, within each individual state.
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I am not seeing where anyone said the Fed did regulate the sale of raw milk.
I know that you originally quoted my post in an attempt to discredit my opinion (seeing as how I don't go along to get along on the GMO thing) but no one, anywhere made any claim that the USDA/FDA regulated raw milk sales. I DID say that drinking raw milk from a trusted source was a better way to go than trusting the USDA/FDA to oversee what you buy in the store, but that does not mean I or anyone else thinks they govern raw milk sales. As someone who drove over the state line to buy legal and sell illegal raw milk as a WAPF chapter leader, I am clear on how raw milk sales work.
But hey, thanks for the info!
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03/28/13, 03:23 PM
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digapony: you said you read a TN state paper. What is the name of it and where can I get it?
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