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Now that you have slept on it, reread my posts. I have posted that there is a possibility that the deceased goat was ill before you sold it. Only the possibility, nothing more.

That is what you did in your first post in this thread. List the possibilities of why it happened after you sold it.

If you are upset about what I posted then the buyer ( or any customer) could be upset about your approach to dealing with this situation. Talking about it on the internet for all to see instead of actually dealing with the customer first.

You don't have to name the customer for people in the area to figure it out in this internet age.

Thanks Alice, I tend to forget 'ignore' works rather well. Kris, I was not telling you to butt out in the least. Please, feel free to continue to participate in this conversation.

I never thought of the fact that they could have brought it onto my property. She was not scouring when they came. It was a couple days after. Would simply them walking onto my property be enough? They never touched any of my animals or entered any pen. I retrieved the goat and handed him to the boy.

I still have yet to receive a response email.

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The OP shouldn't post a problem on a public forum and then tell someone who wasn't rude or abusive to "butt out" because she said something she didn't necessarily want to hear.
This does seem to be a particular problem with this OP, who has an unusually high number of animals sicken and die on her and when she posts for help, tends to get angry and defensive.

There could be lots of things that happen in 6 days. What if the kid didn't have proper shelter and got sick? or even chilled. Or if it fell off something and broke its neck. Or even a dehorning gone bad. You would absolutely have to see the Vets findings before offering anything. Then from that point you can either decide to reimburse all or half. (if you have any possible fault) but usually if I buy an animal I take it As-Is. Once I bought a pregnant pygmy and her kid was 2/3rds the size of her as she was bred to a Saanen. (autopsy after we had to put her down because no amount of pulling would help) Totally the fault of the guy who sold her to me. I told him what happened and all he said was "Sorry" but nothing else. Buying animals overall is buyer beware IMO.. But you might be worried more about reputation than the people i have dealt with. for reputation sake you might want to figure out more but if she doesn't contact you further, perhaps let it go.

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Really? An unusually high number of animals sick and die? You must be talking about someone else.

The only thing I can think of that falls into that category is when we bought auction pigs that brought a virus with them. Yes, we lost quite a few before we figured it out, but we dealt with it and we vaccinate for it now and haven't had a problem since. Could have happened to anyone.
We had a pig that was determined to have been poisoned, not a sickness.

There was an incident in which we lost a large number of cattle, but it was feed related, not sickness, not our fault or negligence, so what exactly are you referring to?

The only other sicknesses we have ever had were parasite related and a few newborn calf issues due to being born in bad weather or orphaned way too young, and those things happen to everyone.

I've never had a sick sheep, sick donkey, rarely a sick rabbit, not a sick chicken, not a sick dog, not a sick cat, I don't get sick, I don't think I've had any sick goats except for the one baby now.

Again, what are you referring to?

And by the way, I don't get angry or defensive when someone offers advice, I get angry and defensive when someone badgers me unnecessarily.

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No. I'm talking about you. I don't have the time to pull up all of your posts from the past but off the top of my head, I do remember a ram dying and you didn't know what happened to him either on top of all the pigs and cattle you've run through. You do have more mysterious illness and deaths than anyone I know of posting on this forum and quite honestly don't seem like a person who is suited to raising livestock.
And when people here do try to offer advice, you get defensive and mean when you don't like it.

Is this the posting you are referring to? http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/liv...very-long.html

or was it this one? http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/liv...-have-die.html

or this one? http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/liv...n-useless.html

This is just from the Cattle forum. The Pig forum sure got nasty. I am butting out now.

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You know, some people have a stroke of bad luck. Our lives have been nothing but hell for the past 5 years. Thanks for your support.
That doesn't mean we are negligent.

I explained about the pigs. It was one issue that unfortunately cost us many. I was our poor choice, but not our fault.

I forgot about the ram. It was a baby, and the farm hands kid stuffed it full of little green apples while we were out of town and never told anyone. He was not sick, and we didn't cause it.

The long cattle issue was bad feed, already noted. That feed was bought and loaded into our barn by a neighbor while we were out of town. It was out of our control. How were we supposed to know it was bad? It was green and leafy. We spent thousands of dollars on vet bills and autopsies to try and figure out the problem.

The second you posted was two cows that died by lightning strike, when our cattle were being cared for by someone we hired on rented pasture halfway across the state. Completely not our doing, fault or issue.

The calf you posted about, selenium deficiency. The people here helped pinpoint the problem. Our cows have free choice selenium. Why would one ever think it wasn't enough? It wasn't sickness. By the way, that calf was born when we weren't here, in a blizzard. The farm hand pulled her and cared for her the best she could.

What else is this forum for other than to ask for advice when there is an issue?

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but perhaps you should start taking care of your own animals instead of relying on others. From the sound of your last post, just about every death has been someone else's fault.

I have now read through most of those older threads. It does seem that you get offered lots of advise but you seem to want to argue your way through it until suddenly you find out that the first advise was correct.

An example of that would be the cow deaths. You said in your very first post that the vet said they were not getting the nutrition they needed but it took you 8 pages to come to the final conclusion that they were right.

Why would you even say something so ill?

I dont work an outside job. I dont watch tv. ALL I DO is take care of animals. I don't get vacation, I dont go to the movies or out to eat. Nothing. ALL I DO is take care of animals.

I maybe am gone 6 whole days a year, and a couple partial days.

Since you HAVE to bring that up, when the cattle were struck by lightning they were on rented pasture. We had no choice as we were in the middle of a devastating lawsuit and losing our rental land. the other option was send everything to slaughter. We had no time to come up with another option since the judge ordered them removed from the land in a very short period of time.

The death of the ram, I was at a family reunion. Is that ok? Can I travel to see my family once a year?

The selenium deficient calf that died that my hired hand pulled? Where was I? Stuck in the parking lot of a gas station. Instead of being home when I should have been, we got to spend 24 hours there because we got a day behind driving because once you drive 20 hours without stopping, you have to stop and nap or die. Because we stopped to rest, we got stuck coming into a terrible blizzard and the roads were so bad they closed the highways and we could go no further.

Why weren't we here to load the hay that killed our cattle? I had a family obligation that took us out of town for three days. THREE DAYS! Thats when the hay was ready, the neighbor offered to take care of it. Something wrong with that?

Am I supposed to never leave my property again? Really?!

I don't know what the deal is here. I had a situation that I wanted to make sure I handled correctly, because I CARE about other people and how they feel, and asked for advice. I get badgered relentlessly by painterswife, even though she offered only one small piece of advice that related to what I needed, which I thanked her for. Now this has turned into a bash me session.
Don't ever accuse me of not taking care of my animals. Not until you've walked a week in my shoes.
You know nothing of what you speak, even after reading the various things I've posted on this forum. You know nothing.

I'm done! At least now I know who my friends are, and aren't. This is ridiculous.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone un necessarily, but this is how I have been made to feel.

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I'm flabbergasted at the negative response to her post explaining the deaths of some animals.

Lightning strikes and children feeding her animals green apples and it's HER fault?

Bad feed and it's her fault?

It wasn't Emily's fault when she had bad feed, was it.

Is there some bad blood between posters that's coming out in this thread?

We don't normally treat each other badly on this forum.

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Sorry you took it wrong, but I was serious. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. If you're not able to do it yourself and feel so stressed out by the care of your animals, then, perhaps, animal husbandry is not your calling.

Folks I know (me included) who have animals do not go on vacations. If someone wants to see us, they come here. We no longer go camping, no longer go on roller-blading or biking weekends, and no longer take any vacations. Ever.

I was simply stating that, obviously, your hired hands do not have the know-how to properly take care of your stock.

I'd offer to give money back or replace....I've had to do it b4....so now I'm sure to tell potential customers that I raise everything as if it might be on my table to eat tomorrow sold "as is where is"....no worming other than horse paste ivermectin, DE....my goal is to raise a hardier animal....good rotation of grazing areas help.

A lot of animals also simply stress from moving and go down hill quickly.

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The problem I have with your posts is that you ask for help and then you get upset if you don't like the advise. Many people take the time out of their day to post very helpful things for you to try. Instead of trying them or explaining that you already have you get upset and tell them to "butt out".

It is a pattern that others have now posted.

Some of the best advise I have ever received was the stuff that was hardest to hear but boy did I need to hear it. Maybe you might as well.

You told us to tell you what to do so here goes. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO.

Ignore all advice from anyone but me. Call the lady admit wrong doing, beg for her forgiveness and mercy. Give her your other goat and her money back. Beg her not to tell anyone that you gave her a bad goat. Promise to give her an additional goat for a total of two new goats as soon as you can get one. Also offer to give her a cow, a horse, a pig, a sheep, a duck, a dog, a cat, a rat and two chickens. Promise you will send her more money as soon as you can sell your house. Sell your house for whatever price you have to, to sell it this week and move out. Send her half the money.

There now I told you what to do. Don't you feel better already?

I don't think anyone else has lost as many animals as you have. You ask for help, then explain why it's not your fault that the cows were starving. You can't feed them better food because you sell grass fed meat or maybe it's just organic, so you let them starve instead. Seems to me that's not only cruel but very poor economics. Maybe you should read your old posts and re-evaluate what you are doing.








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After this (ABOVE) , is where this thread went downhill.

I am an newbie to livestock. It does sound like Murphy's Law has caused problems to happen while you were away from the animals, and you were not able to insure that things were taken care of properly. It probably won't be the last time, so be as proactive as you can.

Just an analogy here....

Hubby rolled a lawn tractor onto himself and wound up the the bottom of the ditch with three broken ribs, broken pubic bone, and pelvis broken on both sides.

Right after he mostly recovered from that, he broke his leg and had to have surgery to put in a plate and screws.

Before he even got up on both feet, he broke his wrist.

Bad decision making? Probably. Bad luck? For sure.

Do I know anyone else who has been through a string of incidents like this? Nope.

Worth hammering someone over? No way, Josephine.

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I would say this analogy fit if:
~Your husband caused harm and suffering through neglect or ignorance to someone/something other than himself who was in his care and he was responsible for .
~If he came onto a public forum ostensibly for advice and then behaved badlyand rudely toward the people who tried to help.
~If he didn't take responsibility for his accidents.

Otherwise, I fail to see any possible connection here. Also, you have no problems telling people exactly what you think regardless of their feelings here so I think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.