Arts education survey,

Well creativity is not exclusive to art. That is an individual trait. People are creative In math science sports etc... I was get a huge kick out art an creativity. When I see something that basically sucks I say that's very creative. My exs mother was a "artist" she sucked nothing proportionate uneven lines symmetry off etc. I never said it allowed. Idk if it was drugs or what that had influence on others perceptions. I get the distorted paintings an all that that's not what things were supposed to be it was obvious lack of talent. Now her mother in law did landscape water color as a hobby an was very good symetry an all that for what she was painting. An yes when someone says artist I think of no job bum without talent. I do know plenty of people that have talent in art fields that make money but they did lots of schooling to get there. Same with sports. What is not taught is how all things weave an blend together. Math science sports art etc. they are taught seprate with out coralation to the other. Art is not taught with math how things can be calculated an mathmatical patterns seen same with sports how art visualization can be applied. Just as when being taught algebra it's not taught what it's used for just how to do it.

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Is literature not an art?

I can see from this thread that many don't understand what is involved in art training so are unable to see how important it can be in a well rounded education.

Art is so much more than painting pretty pictures. For example requisites in my fine arts program included drafting and technical drawing, lots of career opportunities down that path.

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Don't get me started on farriers who depend on their rulers and hoof gauges and have no idea how to sight a foot, leg and shoulder. Pet peeve

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I would so much rather be in pretty much any type of art class than any sport--unless it involved a horse or dog.

I also think kids should do phs ed but not so much sports--I was horrible and altho I was a goofball and didn't let it get to me, some kids felt ashamed. but hiking or biking or weights, count me in! team sports don't do it for me, I can see some of the benefits, I'm just not geared that way. I don't think it was bad to introduce me to them tho., just like other kids were introduced to acrylic paints.

I agree with the schools being well rounded. they don't have to have intense art training, but learning to sketch can be very calming, learning to dance can teach balance, learing to write has many good reasons. none must be something you use to make a living, sometimes its just nice to have a skill to use for fun. its not all about money. sometimes just having these things presented to the kids is enough--many wouldn't have tried it if not made to do so.

I think if we began eliminating stuff from schools based on our own personal dislikes, there would be no schools. I hated math because I am not good at it. I vote we eliminate math.

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I hated math too, until I took a year of Math for Teachers (k-geometry) that presented a way to teach math, or rather enable students to turn on their inherent skills to intuitively discover and understand math concepts from the natural world(patterns, and like, where does base-10 come from?) and then convey it to their peers(isnt' that what "art" is a lot about?). Totally took my math fear and turned it into math love, because now I can see math everywhere (I see dead people! hahaha!) and it gave me a natural filing system to hang it all on, a "real world" application because it's written on the curve of leaves, the leverage of my bicep, the gas efficiency potential of my lead foot)

Also totally taught me how to integrate the many subjects/skills into presenting a lesson. Throw in the English Lit voodoo of the Human Story and everything, even frog eyeballs and pi and how to spell Mississippi becomes one more spoonful in the stone soup of "How Should We Live?"

Just my opinion of course but when you break up life in order to book learn it on a child, the child's working out of his/her education is broken as well. Yuck. No wonder they hate math, or history--it has no relevance, though it most certainly does.

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I am very good at the concrete math problem solving stuff. It's the abstract I don't grasp. I think this is where schools fail students, they don't teach practical application of knowledge or even answer the questions when kids ask WHY they need to learn it.

I chose to homeschool my kids and taught homeschool groups, church groups, and neighborhood kids. They were always surprised when I stopped to answer the WHY questions and showed the practical applications of the lessons. I tried to always finish the lessons with a Product as the reward to connect it all together.

Even though I am an athlete, I did not care for most of PE activities in high school. Physical exertion to break up sitting at a desk does make the brain function better.

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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

The three Rs aren't education.

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2. Would you rather be in an art class(painting, drawing, Theater, metal arts, etc.) or on a sports team?
Art of course

2. Do you think that the arts classes should get more funding then they are getting?
Yes

3. Do you think arts skills or sports skills are more important to a persons livelihood in the long run?

Both has their places.
I see more lack of Art in the general public and this really does need to change.

I am an Artist and I ride and drive Horses.

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I always liked this and try to live it. And I agree just the three r's aren't an education but then what you learn in any school is just the base of what you should be learning.

Literature is a USEFUL art that can be STUDIED without an emphasis on HOW to do it.

Drafting and Technical Drawing are VOCATIONAL arts.
There are plenty of opportunities to learn those AFTER High School

The so called "fine arts" don't need to be taught in PUBLIC schools when so many of the students already don't really learn the basics now.

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You can't learn those other things UNTIL you've gotten the first three

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A computer will never replace a highly trained teacher. Anyone that believes it will has obviously never actually taught or observed a teacher in action.

Based on the previous posts, it appears that many people are of the opinion that math, science and reading are the only things that matter in education. That would be true if all children were intelligent in the same exact ways and all learned best in the same ways. That isn't the case. Google the work of Howard Gardner for a detailed explanation of how many different types of intelligence there are. How do we expect children discover their gifts and passions if we do not give them the opportunities to explore their potential in many different areas?

If I am not mistaken this little ditty was written by the same gentleman who also observed that while there was nothing really wrong or immoral about writing.... like another common human activity that I wont mention here... it really should be done in private, and one should wash their hands when finished.

Whats not to love about R.A.H.?

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The world is full of opportunities, but in public schools, time is limited, as are resources.

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I think thats what recess was designed for, along with that area out behind the barn, reserving classroom time and energy for the basic stuff like math science and reading.

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1- neither

2- No funding.

3- Neither one helps IMO. Sports shouldn't even be part of school and I say that as an ex-jock.

I believe the greatest gift we can give students is the skills and knowledge to know HOW to learn, to not be passive, but to pursue knowldge. We give them the tools, teach the skills, including critical thinking, and provide resources, many resources. We also teach it's okay to improvise. It's okay to McGuyver your projects.

There are many learning styles, and every student is different in their strengths and weaknesses. One Size Does Not Fit All in general education. This is the biggest weakness of public school and why it sucks the soul and intellectually cripples so many people.

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As I am a public school teacher, I am perfectly aware that both time and resources are limited. The world is only full of opportunities if you know that they are out there and have the ability to access them. Most of my students have never been more than 1 mile from their homes. Many of the opportunities that you and I take for granted they are completely unaware of. Their parents are either also unaware of those opportunities or are so self-absorbed or are so busy trying to survive daily life that they do not expose the kids to those opportunities.

More TAX dollars won't change that

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