Arts education survey,

To make it simple, I said the computer was a half-donkey delivery tool for enabling learning about something in a whole, meaningful way.

No matter how much you try to wish it, the on the ground hard truth is you CANNOT taste a peach on a computer screen.

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more about Frank and Ruth
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/289883.shtml

google is your friend, try "music brain development"

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heh

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it was a douglas fir, not a pine tree

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I think the kids would be much better served by teaching them how to read, write, do their cyphers, and some basics of history. Arts and sports? Those are great hobbies, but traditionally provide very little to the average persons ability to feed themselves or take care of their families. I see no reason at all for tax payers money funding either one... not in our schools, nor in the grown up world.

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meh, the class can decide what's what

my favorite color is rainbow

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2. I would have preferred sports. Looking back, probably art.

2. Probably more.

3. Vital.

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ok, I subbed in an art class yesterday. They used hand tools to dismantle electronic equipment to use parts to make a sculpture. My rule was if you have an hand on a tool you got goggles on. I supervised, and when kids were hold something against their stomach and using a big ol screw driver to pry it apart, I said, "what do you think will happen if that screw driver slips?" they said, "oh yeah, ha". I said, "yeah, your large intestine will be ripped open and your lunch from yesterday(which is almost poop) will spill out, along with a lot of blood and then your small intestine will start snaking out in a long untangling rope and then I will hang you with it because, well, just because."

"How to Use a Screwdriver for Not Screwing 101" Art Rocks

Yes I got in there too cuz I saw what was inside a keyboard and I'm like thinking of SO MANY ideas!!!!

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This x2

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One doesn't have to be sacrificed for the other and I don't think you're realizing how many real world applications there are for an arts education.

They certainly were not when I was in school and my arts background has served me well in my 3 careers, as a special effects make-up artist for film, stage and tv, as a museum conservator of Asian art on paper and as a blacksmith.

Think about design, pretty much everything you encounter as you move through your day has been designed by someone with arts training..thousands upon thousands of objects.

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Arts education is education.

I have used my arts training throughout my life to make a living in one way or another. While I wouldn't cut algebra (for example) by any means, it has played little to no part in my earning a living. Ever.

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I dont usually agree with YH but in this case I am with you 100%. When I was in school, about a million years ago, we had both art and PE. I enjoyed art even though I was very bad at it. PE taught me how to get around things. I hated it and did everything in my power to avoid it.
I think school should be reading, writing and arithmetic, and history. Arts and PE should be hobbies.
Alice in Virginia

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I have to disagree. While very few make a living at sports, arts training is applicable to a whole host of careers!

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When I move through my world I see mostly things that are a direct result of math and science... put together through mechanical and electrical engineering.... Those things function quite well without the graphic artists decorations and labels on them.

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Interesting.... what do you do for a living? I would be willing to bet that algebra, geometry, and chemistry play a far more integral role in it than you realize.

Ok, just went back and read more of your posts... What sort of products could you be using in that work as a makeup artist without the work of the chemists who provide virtually all of those products for you? I am sure you are aware of the math involved as well. I am also not entirely sure as to the need and profitability of operating a museum of asian art. Take the funding provided by tax money out of the equation and see how well those things "perform" on their own. There is a reason theatre isnt doing so well in todays world too. Without tax dollars and support by extremely wealthy philanthropists broadway would be in dire straights.

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A sports team.
I personally prefer "team" activities, and I enjoy competition.
I have 2 children that would prefer and art class (painting, drawing, baking, photography) and myself and one child would prefer a sports team.

If tax dollars are funding sports, computer labs, and vocational classes...then yes, I do.
I also would love to see individual school corporations do fundraising specifically for the arts, instead of 'pizza parties, gazebo's and May poles".

Depends on the individual.
I have two children who tried sports (swimming, softball, soccer, moto x racing) and preferred the arts (photography, painting, baking, etc)
I have a child who excels at sports, to the point it has provided him with an enormous amount of college money!
He appreciates art, but is not an active participant.

Arts fuel the individuals mind to see outside the box. To 'feel' as much as they see.
They are more empathetic and are able to 'be in the other guys shoes' when reading a situation.
They are less wound up, and are usually pretty chill to be around!
Sports teach team work, how to lead, how to follow a good leader, the importance of diet, working out, and sleep.
Critical thinking, fast decisions, strategies and practice w/ preparation enables them to preform at their peek.

JMO alert!
I think the schools are doing away with the arts because it promotes individualism, individual thoughts and perceptions, and free thinking.

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I'm not saying that those subjects have played no part, or that they shouldn't be emphasized, just that I strongly disagree that art is only a hobby as has been said and should not be taught in school.

I have, at one time or another and currently been a make-up artist for film, stage and television, a museum conservator (restorer) and a farrier.

Science is necessary for all of them, math much less so and art enormously.

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I never said that chemistry should be cut, but that art shouldn't.

In the museum lab we only occasionally worked on items from the museum's own collection. Sometimes the pieces were from other museums, but most commonly from private collectors and the money they paid for our services were vital to our museum's budget. There are also a lot of private conservation businesses that make good money.

https://www.google.com/search?q=art+...ient=firefox-a

http://www.artconservationservicesboston.com/

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Math plays a much larger role in the farrier trade than you may realize... although the engineering was designed many generations back... the working of iron... and combining it with the forces of nature to work effectively requires a lot of math and chemistry... agreed... mostly provided by those of past generations, but its still there. And if you are to make a living doing it, one needs to know how to deal with numbers when dollar signs are placed in front of them. For example, presuming there are eight nails per shoe, and most horses have four hooves... would you rather be paid 100 dollars per shoe... or a penny for the first nail, 2 pennies for second, 4 pennies for the third nail.... etc... doubling the price for each nail?Knowing some basic math could make a difference in your take home pay. Me? I would take the pennies for the nails.... and be quite content to only be paid for the last nail.

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Both are important in different ways. I don't think most things in school are taught right. I think math n sciences should have twice the funding that art n sports get.

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