Organic is healthier

I'm totally confused now....... those chemical farmers are planting strips of non rr corn to give insects refuge and the same farmers are pointing fingers at the organic farmers because their non sprayed farms become refuges



Edit .... another member corrected me .... I meant to say Bt corn and not rr corn

LOL---sounds like it Johnny D.! Some sexy little beetle or whatever can saunter on over to the refuge and make whoopee---then there will be a bunch of babies with a gene for resistance. OOPS Can we be sure we can kill them all dead before they can skip on over and do the wild thing? Okay, I'm sorry---this no laughing matter------

Ummmmmmm, "RR" means "roundup ready". Roundup kills weeds, not insects.

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Oops I meant BT corn

Since much of the commercial vitamin C comes from corn, which would have have most, BT or RR? Would "organic" BT corn have more than "conventional" BT corn? Does it even matter? Is vitamin C from BT or RR corn inferior to vitamin C from a non-BT or non-RR variety? Is there a difference between the vitamin C in hybrid or non-hybrid corn? Or difference between "organic" and non-organic hybrid or non-hybrid corn? Seems like there are a lot of "armchair scientists" in this thread who should be able to supply the answers to all of those questions.

Martin

Monsanto will not tell us which cultivars were GMO ed .... so we can't do a randomized plot trial to determine if genetic modification reduces vitamin C content !!!

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It's a way of insuring there is a breeding population that is NOT genetically predisposed to pesticide resistance

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That is false, but feel free to show examples if you think it's true

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You really should learn about the concept if you're raising sheep, since it STARTED with livestock

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I never heard of conventional farmers pointing their fingers at Organic farmers.... It was Haypoint who suggested this in a post earlier in this thread ... so I just repeated it

That doesn't answer any of my questions since no cultivars have ever been rated for their ascorbic acidity. My questions also include both GM and non-GM cultivars and not limited to those which were used or developed by Monsanto. In fact, my questions may not even apply to ANY Monsanto product.

Martin

There is sometimes this hybrid vigor where a trait in the hybrid is stronger than either of the parents.... however I don't know if there was ever any research to see if Vit C could be higher in the F1 than the parents.

As far as GMO influencing other traits .... only example I can give was first attempts to rr a crop involved transferring genes from roundup resistant weeds .... the result was poor roundup resistance and decreased yield.

So.... what I just stated could suggest that a GMO ed variety could have other traits negatively influenced.

Maybe real GMO scientists could better answer this ... and maybe they keep this kind of stuff from the public also.

If you're not USING Round Up, why do you care if weeds are resistant?

And why do you keep switching from INSECTICIDES to HERBICIDES with every other post? Your first two points have nothing to do with Round Up

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It does get confusing when swapping between hatred of chemical insecticide sprays and hatred of GMO that limits chemical insecticides.

If I owned one of a hundred orchards in my county and we all sprayed for a leave curler worm. After a few years, the problem with this pest might be so small as to not needing to spray. However, in this area, a hundred homes exist, each with a single untended apple tree. Each year pests that have overwintered in those trees will damage trees and fruit in those hundred orchards, requiring annual sprayings. By allowing a few trees to remain a hideout for damaging insects, they increase the amount of insecticides in our environment.

Haypoint, at the same time those bugs may be preventing the species from becoming insecticide resistant.

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Then you go with an insecticide with a different mode of action. Then switch back a few years later. Just as some do with wormers.

Yup, we switch wormers and we also move the animals to clean pasture if possible but we don't leave some worms to make more worms on purpose. I have yet had a vet come out here and tell me to make sure to set aside a worm refuge!

Don't be fooled into thinking Vets know everything about RAISING animals.
They learn how to TREAT sick animals

http://www.sheep101.info/201/parasite.html

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Refugia Worms in "refugia" are those which have not been exposed to drug treatment. They include free-living stages on pasture and worms in untreated animals. Refugia are being viewed as an important tool to slow down anthelmintic resistance. To increase refugia, it is suggested that a portion of the flock not be dewormed. Fecal egg counts and FAMACHA© scores can be used to identify which animals do not require deworming. Another strategy for increasing refugia is to return treated animals to a wormy pasture. The reason for this recommendation is because if treated animals are moved to a "clean" pasture, the only worms that will be on that pasture will be resistant to anthelmintic treatment.

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No, it's a sacrificial anode.

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The perfect recipe to breed superworms.

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