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Old 03/15/13, 01:06 PM
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Avoiding a food that one does not like has never been a problem, don't grow it or buy it. If you are against sugar beets, buy cane sugar. If against all sugar, buy other sweeteners or sugar-free. If you don't like salt, don't use it or buy salt-free. If you can't eat wheat, don't buy products which have wheat in them. Just don't try to tell me that I should be against beet sugar, salt, or wheat. I'm not one to order others to consume only what I enjoy and have a deep appreciation for others who share that line of thinking.

Martin
No doubt - if the food like products you enjoy so much didn't contaminate mine we could all sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya.

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/article...-countries.php

From Baker Heirlooms Seeds current catalog:

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During the past 8 years since we started testing each lot of heirloom corn we sell, we have found that about 50% of America's heirloom corn supply is already contaminated with these unwanted, patented, and possibly dangerous, GMO varieties. We have pledged to not sell any seeds that come back positive for Monsanto's genes in our test samples. Not only do we not believe in offering GMO tainted seeds, but we would also be faced with possible legal action for selling these unwanted genes.


Tell me more about how I can just "avoid" it.
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Old 03/15/13, 01:09 PM
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We are fortunate to have conventional seed available right now.

In the video, They are Killing You, the cotton farmers in India only had GM cotton seed available to them.

Monsanto has been buying up seed companies left and right.

It may come down to saving your own seed at some point.
That time has come and gone.

More on Monstanto's interest in being the Bread Basket for the world. As we all know, they are only interested in feeding the masses. A more altruistic company won't be found.

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/15/how_...dministration/
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Old 03/15/13, 01:44 PM
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Seed Companies Not Owned by Monsanto

Listed here are some safe seeds to purchase to ensure Non GMO Seeds.
Not owned by Monsanto..

Abundant Life Seeds
Amishland Seeds
Annapolis Valley
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds
Heritage Seed Company (Nova Scotia, Canada)
Diane’s Flower Seeds
Ed Hume Seeds
Fedco
Garden City Seeds
Heirlooms Evermore Seeds
Heirloom Seeds
Heirloom Organics
Horizon Herbs
Irish-Eyes
Landreth Seeds
Lake Valley Seeds
Livingston Seeds
Local Harvest
Mountain Rose Herbs
Organica Seed
Pinetree
Sand Hill Preservation Center
Seeds of Change (Owned by Mars Inc.)
Southern Exposure
Sustainable Seed Co (added on request of the company)
Tiny Seeds
Uprising Seeds
Virtual Farm Seed Co (added on the request of the company)
Wildseed Farms


Companies owned by Monsanto


As of 2005, Monsanto owns Seminis. It is estimated that Seminis controls 40 percent of the U.S. vegetable seed market and 20 percent of the world market—supplying the genetics for 55 percent of the lettuce on U.S. supermarket shelves, 75 percent of the tomatoes, and 85 percent of the peppers, with strong holdings in beans, cucumbers, squash, melons, broccoli, cabbage, spinach and peas. The company’s biggest revenue source comes from tomato and peppers seeds, followed by cucumbers and beans.
In large part, these numbers reflect usage of Seminis varieties within large industrial production geared towards supermarkets, but Seminis seeds are also widely used by regional conventional and organic farmers as well as market and home gardeners. Johnny’s, Territorial, Fedco, Nichol’s, Rupp, Osborne, Snow, and Stokes are among the dozens of commercial and garden seed catalogs that carry the more than 3,500 varieties that comprise Seminis’ offerings. This includes dozens of All-American Selections and an increasing number of varieties licensed to third parties for certified organic seed production.
OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL PERCENTAGES OF SEEDS FROM THEM.
Johnny’s Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole.
Audubon Workshop
Breck’s Bulbs
Cook’s Garden
Dege Garden Center
Earl May Seed
E & R Seed Co
Ferry Morse
Flower of the Month Club
Gardens Alive
Germania Seed Co
Garden Trends
HPS
Jungs
Lindenberg Seeds
McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers
Mountain Valley Seed
Nichol’s
Osborne
Park Bulbs
Park’s Countryside Garden
R.H. Shumway
Roots and Rhizomes
Rupp
Seeds for the World
Seymour’s Selected Seeds
Snow
Spring Hill Nurseries
Stokes
T&T Seeds
Tomato Growers Supply
Totally Tomato
Vermont Bean Seed Co.
Wayside Gardens
Willhite Seed Co.
American Seeds
Asgrow
Campbell
DeKalb
De Ruiter
Diener Seeds
Fielder’s Choice
Fontanelle
Gold Country Seed
Hawkeye
Heartland
Heritage Seeds
Holdens
Hubner Seed
icorn
Jung Seed
Kruger Seeds
Lewis Hybrids
Peotec
Poloni
Rea Hybrids
Seminis
Specialty
Stewart
Stone Seed
Trelay
Western Seeds
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Old 03/26/13, 11:48 AM
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Isn't This Interesting?

Basically, GM corn is light, and corn sells by weight. It is also lacking in calcium, potassium, magnesium, manganese.

Look at the % of Formaldehyde and Glyphosate IN the corn!

The whole article here:

http://www.momsacrossamerica.com/stu...versus_non_gmo
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I have been up since 0400 this morning working on a grant and watched the AG report and they had a segment on Glyphosate that highlighted the increasing problem with glyphosate resistant weeds (they were studying pigweed in particular). It basically said that farmers need to diversify their herbicide applications across a wider spectrum of herbicides because RR and other crops are not as successful as they used to be and in a few short years yeilds will start showing a significant decline.
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I have been up since 0400 this morning working on a grant and watched the AG report and they had a segment on Glyphosate that highlighted the increasing problem with glyphosate resistant weeds (they were studying pigweed in particular). It basically said that farmers need to diversify their herbicide applications across a wider spectrum of herbicides because RR and other crops are not as successful as they used to be and in a few short years yeilds will start showing a significant decline.

I feel zero sympathy with those farmers who get resistant weeds. It is so avoidable it isn't even funny. Those with resistant weeds issues are doing it to themselves. And then they spread around the issue to those farms who actually worked to avoid this problem. Weed resistance to various herbicides has been noted in western Canada for a couple of decades, or more: it is not a new problem at all. Fortunately, most guys here at least, have a diverse enough crop rotation to avoid issues.

The good news, is that new modes of action are coming on the market all the time. Thanks to upgrading chemistries, those farmers who choose to overuse one herbicide year after year, and end up with resistance issues, can stay in the game.
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Old 03/26/13, 07:12 PM
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I called the profitproag number and talked to one of their reps. He said, " That is not our analysis, it's Cargill's." Seems one of their clients has been going away from GMO and RR crops for 7 years. One day, some Cargill fellows showed up, pulled corn out of his fields and his neighbor's RR fields.
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Red flag is second line of that chart and 5th footnote which would lead me to beleive that those figures were all just pulled out of the sky. Whatever was used as a non-GMO sample was nearly twice as sweet as Golden Bantam, Jubilee, or Silver Queen. One has to get into the sugary enhanced hybrids to get in the 20% range. Any variety of field corn, GMO or OP, isn't likely to be twice as sweet as those sweet corn varieties.

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I feel zero sympathy with those farmers who get resistant weeds. It is so avoidable it isn't even funny. Those with resistant weeds issues are doing it to themselves. And then they spread around the issue to those farms who actually worked to avoid this problem. Weed resistance to various herbicides has been noted in western Canada for a couple of decades, or more: it is not a new problem at all. Fortunately, most guys here at least, have a diverse enough crop rotation to avoid issues.

The good news, is that new modes of action are coming on the market all the time. Thanks to upgrading chemistries, those farmers who choose to overuse one herbicide year after year, and end up with resistance issues, can stay in the game.
I thought the same thing but what seemed to be the theme was that many farmers are doing exactly that (little crop rotation, and only using Glyphosate) as they chase the high commodities market. I dont know if you saw it but I believe the reporting was from an Ag research lab at a university in Ohio and it wasnt anti at all, they were advocating to use a poly herbicide approach including Glyphosate.

What struck me was they were acting like it was some new revelation.
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Old 03/27/13, 12:05 AM
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The non-GMO farmer is growing food grade corn, so very well could be one of the super-sweets.

No comment on the Glyphosate levels IN the CORN? Roundup doesn't just go away.
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The non-GMO farmer is growing food grade corn, so very well could be one of the super-sweets.

No comment on the Glyphosate levels IN the CORN? Roundup doesn't just go away.
Inasmuch as even the poorest field corn is going to have a Brix of at least 6%, and many of the GMO hybrids are being developed with higher Brix, seeing an absurd claim of 1% does little to lend credence to any other figures. That's especially more so when their definition of Brix is not correct.

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No comment on the Glyphosate levels IN the CORN? Roundup doesn't just go away.
This makes their entire "study" worthless, since Huber is NOT a credible source:
http://www.biofortified.org/2011/02/...nary-evidence/

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In another study taht Dr. Huber reported, .97 ppm of formeldehyde showed to be toxic in ingestion to animals. This corn has 200X that! That is why the animals , given a choice will not eat it at all, they can smell the formeldehyde!
http://pesticidetruths.com/2011/03/0...fearmongering/
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Old 03/27/13, 12:42 PM
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U of IL Ext. Webinar featuring a nearby non-gmo grain elevator owner:
http://www.extension.org/pages/66781...-crops-coexist
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That chart is bogus. It is also most definitely NOT from Cargill.
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The non-GMO farmer is growing food grade corn, so very well could be one of the super-sweets.

No comment on the Glyphosate levels IN the CORN? Roundup doesn't just go away.
We have popcorn, sweet corn, field corn, white corn..... All have very different characteristics and would test out very differently. The tests shown do not make any sense at all, and would appear to be comparing apples to oranges?

Glyphosate likes to attach to clay particles and bind up very hard, and then break down into something else in a few days to a few weeks.

Typically glyphosate would be spayed on corn no later than 3 feet high, or lets say July at the latest 'here', and harvest would not be until October, so there is a 60 to 90 day difference between the last spraying and the first harvest.

Compared to other weed herbicides, glyphosate breaks down more rapidly, and binds up more rapidly than most other weed killers. I would think it would be a least problematic herbicide residue of the ones that are used?

I thought the main issue some had was the gmo effect on the corn, not the glyphosate itself?

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