Anti-, problems with, etc GMO foods

Actually, we are showing you what they really said, along with data as to WHY they said it.

Monsanto only spoke about their product because it's all they are selling

You are the one who asked for more information, and now you just want to ignore it and argue about it?

That's the attitude that gets these threads closed, and makes any attempt at rational, adult discussions pointless.

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Can we all just take a breath please?

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Under normal conditions, there would be no more need for a warning on canola than for broccoli, cabbage, kohlrabi, rutabagas, or any other common brassica. Everyone knows that those are grown for human consumption rather than cattle forage. Anyone planting rape knows that it is for hog forage and anyone planting canola knows that it is for the seed. But normal conditions do not always prevail. Facing potential 100% loss of a harvest, and desperate for animal feed, a farmer may decide that he is money ahead to turn his cattle loose on the field instead. If he were ignorant of the potential dire consequences, he would not only lose the canola but possibly some of his herd. The warning is a valid one for that reason just as McDonald's coffee cups have a "hot" warning.

Martin

Here is one farmer in Iowa's story...

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The experience of the vast majority of hog producers refute what this man claims. Pig farmers are more efficient now than they have ever been. Sows are producing more pigs per litter and feed efficiencies have improved dramatically. If this man's statements were true the entire pig industry would be in serious trouble!

It is farming 101. Why the warning? Why does McDonalds put "Warning, contents may be hot" on their coffee cups?

I don't raise brassicas as a field crop, but I also know not to graze sorgum-sudan hybrids in a drought year either, because of the dangers of nitrates.

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The brassica warning IS Farming 101. My thread which was deleted was first-hand experience from almost 60 years ago. As an FFA student in high school, we got a lot of free seed to trial. One was rape and none of the students knew what it was but our teacher did. Only those whose farms had hogs could take any and I think that there may have been only 1 or 2 others who did. Didn't need any warning on the label since the teacher telling us not to let the cattle eat it was sufficient. We were warned that if we had white hogs they may blister. We had a mixed herd of Berkshire and Yorkshire and some did develop small blisters on their ears but we weren't looking for someone to sue for not having a big warning label on the sack.

Martin

What about the thousands of farmers who feed GMO grains and DON'T have any problems?

If your example were REAL, animals all over the country would be dying.

NC raises more hogs than any other state, and I never hear about such ocurrences.

Explain why it doesn't happen everywhere

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They can't that is why. And if a person Looks long enough, and hard enough, you can Always find someone that is not the norm.
And that doesn't make the study done with those types of folks any validity in such things, and reports of them having side effects etc.

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After a little searching, I discovered the hog video is from 2001

How is it we and the livestock are still alive when 90% of the corn in our foods and feeds is GMO, and we've eaten it non-stop for the last 12 years?

Anyone got any answers?

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What would the results be if a farmer turned his cattle out in a RR Canola field and they all died?

If it were me, I'd be one broke farmer, but, I sure wouldn't blame it on RR. Never raised canola, but Id test for nitrates or prussic acid or bloat. First , find out why they actually died.
But, I bet someone would jump up and say "it was because of RR, this proves it".

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Actually, I heard a scientist saying that 15 years is barely enough time see potential problems, especially not knowing what we're looking for.

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Thing is though, many generations of all manner of organisms have lived and died since the advent of the first gm crops. Deer, mice, grouse, earthworms, soil microbes: None are in peril. They still have the same life spans, they still reproduce, they in fact are exploding in population. A person could just as easily say, that because there are more elk and deer and moose, earthworms, frogs, etc.,on my land than ever before, they must be thriving and being enhanced in population due to gm crops.

In fact, this would make more sense than saying gm is bad for everything. Just looking at the population of wildlife exploding around here. Just my opinion.

I wonder how many years would be enough?

I'm not sure a population explosion is a good thing either. We're struggling to find a way to feed the population we have already, so are we just creating a vicious circle?
My point was just that there is YEARS of data to sift through before anyone can make a concrete claim and that goes both ways.

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I just realized that if we've been consuming GMO food for roughly 12-15 years, the first generation of kids would be just entering puberty, and that to me would mean a whole load more data available.

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I was at a farm conference today. Some of the good news I heard from farmers at my table is that they are returning to conventional corn and soybeans. One fellow told me that when Roundup was first developed, they advised using it once every two years. That was enough to keep the weeds down. Now, in our neck of the woods, if you plant cover crop, you burn it down with Roundup; then two more applications in the crop.

One of the speakers is from Mississippi. He said that pigweed is more of a problem than we could imagine. The farmer across from me is getting a $2 premium for growing conventional grains. He said that if Roundup isn't going to save him trips across the field, why not go back to conventional?

None of these guys mentioned anything to do with health. They are all concerned with the bottom line. One claimed that they really never needed RR corn. Soybeans were the weed problem crop.

The funny thing to me was hearing the MS speaker get all concerned about the population shrinking. Of course, he's concerned with marketing crop, but there's got to be a stopping point, or we'll breed until we starve, sick or not.

I've heard them say lots of things.

None have shown proof there are any harmful effects directly related to GMO crops, although many have wanted to do exactly that for years now.

If there were any real evidence, people wouldnt keep recycling "proof" from over a decade ago

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France 09/2012 study, doesn't exactly paint the Monsanto picture either. Though some have criticized the study but it has yet to be dismissed.

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