John Deere 14t

I almost guarantee its a Wisc. And next to that, its blown. It wouldf cost way more to rig it for pto than IF you could find anothger Wisc used engine good to put on it. Thats the smaller problem. The larger one is the knotter system. Look at the needles. IF there still there, and in origional shape without any shortening being done, Youve got 1/3 youyr knotter problems outa the way. IF the needles crashed, TRHEN, along with everything else, its outa time.

They dont give those needles away either. ANDS I doubt IF I had that machine id buy them used. I would have to for my 140 W Case, 1960, as there $200 a needle, and at last copunt 2yrs ago, there were 16 left.

I took a couple pictures of it ill upload later. That motor is seized I thought it would be. It does look to be factory equipped. It also looks like there's is a shaft that could be connected easy to make it pto driven. Idk I've never wrked on a bailer so idk anything about them. Looks like it didn't have much use cause there was paint on teeth between gears from the factory still. It looked like the fly wheel could have a leak but only from sitting cause itwasnt in a swirl pattern. No parts i could see showed much use at all. Even the paint on guards in between the times was all still there. This looks like it was only used to bail the twenty acre field out back n coulda been bought new n only used here.

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Are the needles the ones that pick up the hay. If not where are they

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The needles are the long curved spikes that take the twine up through the knotters to be tied and cut. Look under chamber and under the knotters. They could be tripped and left half running through the knotters themselves.

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That engine might also just be slightly stuck from sitting so long.

I never seen a JD with factory equipped power unit..... most around here were NH with the Wisconsin.

IH however made a big club of a baler powered by a 4 cyl inline water cooled Continental engine. This was pre 1948 and so Cub power unit did not exist. The engine was a size smaller than the one used in Masey Harris Pony tractor. That engine was low production and probably rebuild kits are unavailable. But that engine would be worth something to a collector or someone needing parts. FYI

The brackets an every thing there are all green n manufactured not fabracted. I couldn't find a tag on engine yet. But defiantly looks to me a two cylinder Wisconsin I only base that on the screen around flywheel housing looks like all the other Wisconsin I've seen n had though not a lot.

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Here is a picture of a JD 14T and a bit of an idea about the knotter.

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That's exactly it with the engine. I gotta bring the exact or over in there its surronded by wild roses every where in I'm tired of get attacked. With the tires sunk in the ground idt I can check out needles n knotters.

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The way you describe it, It sounlds like a rose, in a rose bush lol

WHATEVER you do to it. FIRST THING, is replace ALL the roller chains

So assuming everything is in good condition except motor. How would one go about converting it to pto driven? I saw one shaft that looked like u would attach to it if it wasn't engine model from there ud prolly add a driveshaft with couple bearings there then a pto shaft from that to tractor. Dosnt seem like it would be much more complicated than that.

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The 2 needles that put the twine up between the bales is - very- carefully timed to move at the right time with the plunger. If you mess up the timing with the chain that drives them, the plunger will shear them off, and as mentioned will run 70 to 200 bucks each, depending on model of baler.

If you get it and work on it, keep that in mind. how to time it is covered in the manual, which you can easily still buy.

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Well its gonna get a bit complicated because you are going to need a 90 degree gear box to drive the flywheel with a pto shaft.

If it were a NH you could just attach to the flywheel because if I remember correctly the flywheel was not mounted on the side

Maybe the gearbox was on the engine driven JD

Here is a New Holland super 66 pto model also available in enging driven .... see how the flywheel swings around to the front. If the baler was engine driven you could easily convert to pto

..... you may need to find a pto model 14t to get the parts to convert.

Actually the gearbox could be there needed for other reasons besides to be pto driven.

oh I see now in post #33 you might have what you need

The shaft isn't splined or anything. Well if it warms agin for a few days ill try to pull it out so I can mess with it.

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