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02/03/13, 03:48 PM
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Agree with everyone about starting small. Also, get some fruit and nut trees planted now as they take some time to get established and producing. Add on a little at a time until you find out what you'll be able to accomplish without wearing yourself out.
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02/03/13, 06:44 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I wan to thank everybody for all the helpful advice. Sorry I didn't put more info. i do have income and that will contnue even with the move. The land is in east OK and rural. There is no home so I was thinking of using a travel trailer while i build a small cabin. I grew up in the country on a small farm, so I do have some skills and already know I like the lifestyle. I've always used the square foot gardening method in the past. I do want animals, but not sure what is easy to start with other than chickens. There is the possibility of a 3rd person to help me, but he is a city boy and is not sure about country livng, so I need to be able to do everything by myself as I don't know how much help he'll really be.
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After my divorce I lived by myself in a Travel trailer/camper(by choice-I own several homes I rent out) for years and Loved every day/night of it. They are not to insulated so if it gets Cold where you are at you will have to do things to help heat it like plastic over the windows, under pen it, On the really cold nights I hung thick comforters over most of the windows/doors/outside walls and that made alot of difference with heat.
First thing I did was figure out my fresh water source---I washed down a 50ft shallow well, hooked up a electric pump and a hand pump on the same well . Then once I got the camper setup I made a homemade septic tank/system(sure there will be alot of comments on this, if you try to get into discussing it on a public forum) Because it was getting cold, I found a good used """"""thermostat"""""" controlled propane heater that uses no electricity. The one in the Camper requires to much electricity to run the blower when you are off grid.. Thermostat is very important so you do not Fry on the not so cold nights. I then installed a Co2/propane/fire alarms for safety. I got a good deep cycle battery to run the low voltage lights on the camper at night. I found a 15 watt solar panel cheap and hooked it to the battery for the 12 volt lights--I only run them for short periods of time. I burned free/used candles most of the time. I used the gas stove and hot water heater that was in the camper.
I built a little storage building to keep a used washing machine in and the fresh water pump and tank. I had a medium size generator under a little lean to shed. I used a BIG tank on the water pump. What I did was crank the generator on Sunday mornings. I would wash my clothes, have a battery charger topping of the 12 volt battery and charging the water tank. I did my clothes, linens etc in 2 loads and I would hang them on the line and cut the generator off. Because I showered every day I might have to crank the generator to recharge the water tank once during the week because I conserved water. Keep in mind I had a hand water pump if I needed some water outside etc. I lived this way and kept adding as time allowed. I added chickens, rabbits, etc. I ended up buying 320 watts of solar panels and hooking them to 4 golfcart batteries, after that I rarely ever cranked the generator. I worked the garden mainly with a tiller but I had a older tractor. I collected rent and enjoyed Life, somewhat living off the land. Once I met my Wife I have now I ended up moving in with her and we did keep spending a night every now and then in the camper. Living in the camper was not something I was going to ask her to do, but I am fixing to build us a offgrid cabin where the camper is and we will live in it about 1/2 of the time. It is next to a 2 acre lake.
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02/03/13, 06:54 PM
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Call your local extension and see if there is a Master Gardener that is looking for volunteer opportunities. They have to volunteer so many hours a year to maintain their MG status. Maybe someone can come out and help you get started?
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02/04/13, 08:20 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I hope youll read my new posting, Would you live with someone.
You can get a right or wrong tractor. You can get a wrong breed, or even a wrong kind of livestock. You can plant things that are just wrong for you. You can build something, and having finished it, see you built it wrong.
All of these things can be corrected with time and wisdom. at small amount of heartache or break, BUT getting started on a new farm with the wrong partner is about the worst thing you can do to yourself. Its worse than if you did alla the things ive listed at one time, AND CONTINUED DOING THEM ANYWAY.
I would think that MANY would tell you that, youd do much better, doing the farm yourself, thanhaveing someone who wasnt interested, could care less, and maybe did their best to get you derailed at your new farm.
Well, as George McMichle, Amos McCoys neighbor always said after arguing withg Amos. Ive had my say. And leave,
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02/04/13, 12:34 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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IIWM, I would get two used travel trailers or motor homes the same length. [You mentioned off grid.] Pour a concrete slab and set the trailers 8 feet apart on the slab. Build a free standing roof and stud the walls between the trailers. You can put a wood stove there for heat to both if you pull your doors off on the common sides. Put in a solar charger for your 12 V batteries and water will be your only purchase. Bury a 1000 gallon tank and fill the trailers tanks from that. Your grey water will be seperate from sewage and you can put it on a garden. Roofs will be protected and you can cook on LP or wood from the center.
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02/04/13, 06:14 PM
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The simple life ain't simple.
Which state? Lots of restrictions?
First you need a roof over your head. I guess the above is doable. I would set up a humanure sawdust toilet a la Joe Jenkins. Use gray water on bushes.
Five chickens will give you as many eggs as you two will need. If you are set up for it, so you can free range your chickens, you can possibly barter. A goat will do the two of you but I would get two. Advertise goat milk for sale, for pets, small animals. Depending on where you live, you will get 15 or so dollars per week. The sale of the milk will cover the cost of feed for the critters. And you will have goat milk for the two of you.
Get to know local gardeners, of course I would look for organic. Not everything will grow in every location. What does well in your area? You need to find out. Research what are good work/energy saving methods. Last year I did not use a rototiller at all, DH got me a broadfork. I would recommend it, for several reasons. It does a good job, and it gives me a healthy workout, without undue stress. You have to think of your health.
Your daughter is old enough to take care of the dishes, feed the chickens, gather the eggs. I know people who have five kids and the eight year old was milking two goats.
Well, she no longer is eight years old. You need a lot of organizing. I recommend scrounging. And doing things bit by bit. A penny saved is a penny earned.
You can fence an enclosure for animals with pallets. I would advice that you look into uses for cattle panels. We have made an instant woodshed with two cattle panels and a tarp. The same kind of setup has also worked very well as a temporary shelter for animals. One has been in place for three years now. You can also make a quick and cheap greenhouse that way.
I don't see how you can make any money, but it is worth a lot if your place saves you money. However, I just noticed someone posted about making money raising mice and rats. That might be a niche for you. Wishing you well.
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02/04/13, 07:47 PM
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IF those chickens are over a year old, youll be glad to get 1 egg a day outa 5 chickens.
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02/04/13, 08:15 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by mommydenise
I wan to thank everybody for all the helpful advice. Sorry I didn't put more info. i do have income and that will contnue even with the move. The land is in east OK and rural. There is no home so I was thinking of using a travel trailer while i build a small cabin. I grew up in the country on a small farm, so I do have some skills and already know I like the lifestyle. I've always used the square foot gardening method in the past. I do want animals, but not sure what is easy to start with other than chickens. There is the possibility of a 3rd person to help me, but he is a city boy and is not sure about country livng, so I need to be able to do everything by myself as I don't know how much help he'll really be.
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Well at least that is wetter part of the state. It also matters how far you are from a town of reasonble size. And eastern OK covers a lot of ground. Covers alot of culture differences and land types.
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02/04/13, 08:41 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arkansas
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Neok is pretty cool for trailers in the winter or sure can be! The southern end not so bad.
With 5 acres it might be a little difficult to earn taxes much less a living, but then anything is possible.
If your city friend is willing to work off the farm this may be doable for sure.
Any rate don't get discouraged start small and build it up.
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02/04/13, 11:58 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewBlaine,AR
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All of these ideas are great!
Im a single dad of a young daughter, and i tried from the start to be completely self reliant......
And i failed.
I learned real fast to divide and conquer.
the thing i did right was to get goats. They are multi purpose and your daughter will love them.
Second i grew staples of multi use vegetables.
Third i bought animals from a reputable breeder. They cost more than sale barn animals, but there very healthy, and the breeder is very knowledgeable and willing to give friendly advise.
I dont know of your state of residence but im sure you can find work in your community.
My friend works as a part time house cleaner and home health aid.
I have had good luck selling veggies.
But i bombed at selling goats for meat. I dont live close to a buying station for goats so my area saturated with cheap goats.
i wish you all the luck.
Its alot of fun.
Greg
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02/05/13, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mommydenise
I do not have much money but I already have some land (over 5 acres) in another state. I will be pretty much doing everything myself. I have a daughter but she is still young. I am 42 and had a stroke 4 years ago. I have recovered 95% well. The only thing is it's takes me longer to get things done and don't have full use of left hand. I plan on having a garden but not sure what else would be easy to start. I'll only be feeding 2 of us but I will need to make enough money to pay bills and such. I'll be pretty much off grid, so hopefully it won't be too expensive.
I'd appreciate any ideas.
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Start small and close to the house using techniques such as SFG www.squarefootgardening.com and maybe a small chicken coop or rabbit hutch using plans and often classes from your local agricultural extension office after speaking with your area ag agents of your desires and limitations.
And expand as you feel capable to do so
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