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02/01/13, 12:17 PM
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Those all have houses on them (from what I saw). Either way... too expensive. Certainly not shiftless bums that are affording those prices though.
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02/01/13, 12:20 PM
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Those all have houses on them (from what I saw). Either way... too expensive. Certainly not shiftless bums that are affording those prices though.
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02/01/13, 12:35 PM
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a little pricey, but for professionals those prices are ok. The 12 acres for 120 is not too bad.
I could not afford to live there. Nice though.
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02/01/13, 12:51 PM
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so, raven, I am a farmer? I have 150 sq feet container garden at home and a 10x20 plot in a community garder, I would never insult a real farmer and call myself a farmer.
I don't get all the rage. You are taking a fun video that is filled with fun people and turning it into something ugly.
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Yes, you would be since you cultivate land. Or would you prefer the yuppie term of Urban Homesteader which is the same thing?
Why am I not allowed to say I don't like something? Or is this an "all yes" forum? I didn't realize that saying no was an angry answer.
I'm in a rage because I think a certain group is foolish? Please. Everyone doesn't like the fact that they are just like the rest of us and they don't want to hear that.
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02/01/13, 01:01 PM
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Yes, you would be since you cultivate land. Or would you prefer the yuppie term of Urban Homesteader which is the same thing?
Why am I not allowed to say I don't like something? Or is this an "all yes" forum? I didn't realize that saying no was an angry answer.
I'm in a rage because I think a certain group is foolish? Please. Everyone doesn't like the fact that they are just like the rest of us and they don't want to hear that.
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It is not that you disagree. It is the words you write. You come across not just thinking people are foolish but that some how your opinion is so much better and you have disdain for other's opinions.
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02/01/13, 01:01 PM
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Yes, you would be since you cultivate land. Or would you prefer the yuppie term of Urban Homesteader which is the same thing?
Why am I not allowed to say I don't like something? Or is this an "all yes" forum? I didn't realize that saying no was an angry answer.
I'm in a rage because I think a certain group is foolish? Please. Everyone doesn't like the fact that they are just like the rest of us and they don't want to hear that.
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you have a right to say what you feel and think but understand that if you insult people then you might be asking for a fight from people that might be offended by your insults.
I am not offended. I just disagree with you.
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02/01/13, 01:36 PM
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Raven12 is debating a moot point, doesn't back up her statements, and doesn't answer direct questions. There is no point in responding to or engaging her.
This Site is called, "Homesteading Today," and many of us fit into more of that classification. Also, this is a mentality, so if you are living in an apt, condo, townhome, in a home on a city lot, or any other place where you can grow your own fruits/veggies, preserve them, and enjoy a variety of different homesteading activities? Yes, you are a Homesteader. There are Farmers on this Site, too, but not everyone here is a Farmer. My grandparents were Farmers, but I am a Homesteader with a Nursery License, running a small business.
Raven12, you are indeed coming off as a bitter angry person, who will accomplish nothing by insulting others.
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02/01/13, 02:00 PM
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It is regrettable that the owners of this forum chose not to turn on the "ignore" function.
Apparently Raven 12 simply wants to argue. There are legitimate reasons negating each of her assertions. I guess it is our own fault that we have deigned to keep responding.
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02/01/13, 02:02 PM
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I really appreciated this post and enjoyed learning about that island and it's people. When I am out wild harvesting seeds for a seed company, cutting nettles for an order or harvesting seaweed, propagating flowers or hand crafting my wares....I think of my job as one I truly love and yes, it is a job. I am not retired so I have to work but most of the other 50 people are. A handful of them work for the ferry, or the island. We have septic tanks, no clearing is permitted unless you are taking a few trees down to put in a home. We love our trees and this island is environmentally protected with lots of bald eagles, lush green and not rocky. Although where the ferry lands there is a Farmers market, I typically sell online or in person on the mainland by appt.
It is fun to see how others live! How interesting to see that man's set up but I wondered why he did not at least cluster them together for the bad weather times? The buildings were very unique! Most here look like a typical house or cabin, ours is kind of both. Some folks have sheds on their property. Looks like a small country home in the front and a cabin from the inside. Everything you need comes in on a boat or the ferry.
I agree with Lori Christie that it does not matter where you live to appreciate the virtual community of HT.
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02/01/13, 02:27 PM
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So, to get back on track...
For those from that general area... I imagine that the sunlight is limited like most of the PNW, so I wonder TRULY, how much they run on Genny's vs. Solar for their electric needs?
Also, it's private ownership... again, from those near there... is it expensive because it's an eccentric island, or is it cheap because it's off grid, no improvement-difficult-to-get-to land?
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On some of the bigger islands where there are lakes, rivers, creeks, artesian springs, people often have their own hydroelectric generators and some may even produce enough to sell extra to their neighbours. On the smaller islands if there is no running water they likely use gas generators and solar about equally. During the summer months solar is reliable because there is not a lot of rain, there is lots of sunshine and the daylight hours are longer the further north you go.
Price of land depends on which island it is, how big it is, what kind of natural resources it has and how close it is to other islands or the mainland - price also depends on which side of the border it is. Keep in mind that the price of land in BC will be a lot different from the price of land in Washington and Alaska. If you were to look up some of those islands that are within the Washington boundries you'd probably find that they are priced a lot lower than the equivalent land in BC. BC is the most expensive province in Canada to be purchasing land, and if it has been developed with buildings and other infrastructure on it then the price will be triple or quadruple or more.
Some of those people on Lasqueti are not wealthy but have inherited their land passed down from families who purchased their land many years ago when the price would have been much lower than what it is now. The couple with the dogs for example, they were born and grew up on Lasqueti and most likely are on long term family land.
The larger island directly to the north of Lasqueti (on the map) is called Texada Island. 40 years ago my husband and I purchased 20 acres of land in the middle of Texada, it had lake frontage plus several springs on the property, and an old expired gold mine on it and at that time the property sold for $300 an acre. We built a rustic cabin and a dock on the lakeshore and 5 years later sold the property to some friends who still own the property. Their property assessment now (40 years later) shows the property valued at $27,000 per acre. Quite a big jump over the course of 40 years from $300 an acre to $27,000 an acre.
I imagine similar rate of inflation may apply to Washington islands but Washington properties are probably still a lot less cost by comparison with BC properties.
Some of the smaller islands are for sale in their entirety for lesser prices but most of the really small islands are only suitable for building holiday cabins on and bringing in ALL of your supplies and food. They are mostly rock with trees growing out of the rock so you can't grow much on them unless you bring in your own soil amendments. Rain water catchment systems are essential on the small islands.
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02/01/13, 02:40 PM
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I would think the Islanders would also harness wind power, but didn't see that on the video. Yes, they would need back-up for when they couldn't get enough light for their solar setups. Even said, depending on how many batteries they have, some could be used as backups, too. Propane or Diesel could be utilized. They could fill their tanks when they went to the mainland.
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02/01/13, 03:15 PM
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I would think the Islanders would also harness wind power, but didn't see that on the video. Yes, they would need back-up for when they couldn't get enough light for their solar setups. Even said, depending on how many batteries they have, some could be used as backups, too. Propane or Diesel could be utilized. They could fill their tanks when they went to the mainland.
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It looked to me that at least a few of them were using Hydroelectric from their creeks? From what I saw pretty small systems, unless I misunderstood what they were showing.
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02/01/13, 04:24 PM
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They mentioned a barge in the video which would be how they bring gas over in large tanks, that is how it is done here. We can not transport gas cans on the private ferry, wonder if they do? Here they maintain it is a safety issue so if you bring it over on your own boat or the barge, that will cost less than buying it from the pump. Many of the homes here have rain water tanks, they most likely have that there. They did show a stream so they could have their own little reverse osmosis system in a home. The stream did not run fast enough for much energy harnessing I think but I guess they could utilize other methods. Islands are a nice place to retire and many of these properties here were also inherited. There are lots as low as $7,000 here but they are 1/4 acre sizes at that price. It depends on if you want a home with a little garden or more space? There is only guy who owns 300 lots here and that is most of the acreage.
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02/02/13, 08:20 AM
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Three to six hundred thousand for 10-20 acres?? Holy Cow!  Never in my wildest dreams could I afford that!  Oh well, there goes that dream...
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02/02/13, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by naturelover
On some of the bigger islands where there are lakes, rivers, creeks, artesian springs, people often have their own hydroelectric generators and some may even produce enough to sell extra to their neighbours. On the smaller islands if there is no running water they likely use gas generators and solar about equally. During the summer months solar is reliable because there is not a lot of rain, there is lots of sunshine and the daylight hours are longer the further north you go.
Price of land depends on which island it is, how big it is, what kind of natural resources it has and how close it is to other islands or the mainland - price also depends on which side of the border it is. Keep in mind that the price of land in BC will be a lot different from the price of land in Washington and Alaska. If you were to look up some of those islands that are within the Washington boundries you'd probably find that they are priced a lot lower than the equivalent land in BC. BC is the most expensive province in Canada to be purchasing land, and if it has been developed with buildings and other infrastructure on it then the price will be triple or quadruple or more.
Some of those people on Lasqueti are not wealthy but have inherited their land passed down from families who purchased their land many years ago when the price would have been much lower than what it is now. The couple with the dogs for example, they were born and grew up on Lasqueti and most likely are on long term family land.
The larger island directly to the north of Lasqueti (on the map) is called Texada Island. 40 years ago my husband and I purchased 20 acres of land in the middle of Texada, it had lake frontage plus several springs on the property, and an old expired gold mine on it and at that time the property sold for $300 an acre. We built a rustic cabin and a dock on the lakeshore and 5 years later sold the property to some friends who still own the property. Their property assessment now (40 years later) shows the property valued at $27,000 per acre. Quite a big jump over the course of 40 years from $300 an acre to $27,000 an acre.
I imagine similar rate of inflation may apply to Washington islands but Washington properties are probably still a lot less cost by comparison with BC properties.
Some of the smaller islands are for sale in their entirety for lesser prices but most of the really small islands are only suitable for building holiday cabins on and bringing in ALL of your supplies and food. They are mostly rock with trees growing out of the rock so you can't grow much on them unless you bring in your own soil amendments. Rain water catchment systems are essential on the small islands.
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Interesting.
Maybe it is because the area has become popular that the prices went up?
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02/02/13, 02:04 PM
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Interesting.
Maybe it is because the area has become popular that the prices went up?
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Very likely. It's not just the islands where property prices have increased, it's been happening on the mainland as well. Population growth from immigration is now growing faster in BC than in the other Canadian provinces, but there is also a notable increase in population and immigration in Washington and Oregon states as well as southern Alaska. The milder coastal climate, long growing season, availability of desireable land and the abundance of natural recreational resources is a big draw to people looking to start new lives for themselves and their families.
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