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Old 01/25/13, 11:12 AM
 
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I cant imagine a tractor that would only pull 2 12s but could pull 3 discs. They set the same depth?

Ive had 4 2-14 plows in my life. Got 3 of them now. The other was a rubber tired MM. My dad loved that plow, but got hydrolics and it was set aside. Ive got 2 1-16 plows. Never had a 12

I would have liked to see how many discs my F-30 would have pulled when I had it. It didnt notice the 2 14s behind it, and I could turn around, here in NE Okla without tripping if I wanted to and it didnt bother it at all.
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Old 01/25/13, 12:53 PM
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It has always interested me in how great a difference soil type makes in tillage practices and what it takes to plow. I have a 9,000 pound, 4 wheel drive, 85 horsepower tractor on sod over clay. A 3 bottom 16 inch plow is about all I can manage. I have a 20,000 pound, 4 wheel drive 150 horse tractor that pulls a 4 bottom 16 inch plow with ease. On other soils, I'll bet I could double the size of my plow with either of those tractors.
Seeing the plowing demonstration clip in this thread makes me envy such nice light soil. But my fields can retain water in a long drought much better than most soils.
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Old 01/25/13, 03:02 PM
 
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Thats what I saw on both vids I watched. The soil seemed to be as light as here. in Okla
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Old 01/25/13, 04:17 PM
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It has always interested me in how great a difference soil type makes in tillage practices and what it takes to plow. I have a 9,000 pound, 4 wheel drive, 85 horsepower tractor on sod over clay. A 3 bottom 16 inch plow is about all I can manage. I have a 20,000 pound, 4 wheel drive 150 horse tractor that pulls a 4 bottom 16 inch plow with ease. On other soils, I'll bet I could double the size of my plow with either of those tractors.
Seeing the plowing demonstration clip in this thread makes me envy such nice light soil. But my fields can retain water in a long drought much better than most soils.
When we still plowed 20 years ago we pulled a 5x16 MF 880 with a 75hp tractor with no problems as long as we didn't hit bedrock or boulders, which happened often. Hydraulic reset though so it wasn't too bad.
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Old 01/25/13, 04:27 PM
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As someone who knows metric, this thread is hilarious. I'm glad you got it sorted!
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Old 01/25/13, 04:36 PM
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I have a jd 145 5X16 and it was about all my 1070 case wanted, but I havent plowed in years.
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Old 01/25/13, 05:50 PM
 
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Soil type makes all the difference. I had to drop the 3rd bottom off my JD 3-12, now it's a 2-12 and it will make my David Brown 990 snort pretty good. With the 3rd bottom on it would just sit and spin..

The disc plow pulls a lot easier than my 2-12 Oliver 100. Part of it could be the bottoms on the Oliver but my Case 811b will pull the disc plow as deep as it will readily go, maybe 8-10", but the Olliver will give me wheel spin at similar depth. I'm telling you, you have to plow this ground to believe it. I brought a 90 hp Case 4wd to a dead stop pulling a 3-16 Kverneland. Theres a strip of clay running diagonally across this field thats incredible. Back int he 50's when the 800 Ford tractor was brand new they brought one demonstrator out to this farm when the salesman claimed it would pull 3-12's in any ground short of solid rock. He lost his bet. I've had my 800 Ford come to a dead stop pulling 2-10s. My Case VAC has the old single bottom 2 way plows and it simply won't even start to pull that plow in sod. I have another later VAC Eagle with a 2-12 mounted Eagle plow. It came off a farm 15 miles south and they plowed for years with it. No way it will plow to depth even in stubble. Sit and spin!
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Old 01/25/13, 06:12 PM
 
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I had a strip of hard pan around 20ft wide and maybe 60ft long. My plow would just skim over it. BUT I would hook into a piece of it at the edges every year, and finally ive plowed through it.
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Old 01/27/13, 01:10 PM
 
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I pull a two blade ford type disc plow, with a D-15 allis chalmer. I pulled 3-16 bottom plows with it. I use the 2 blade disc plow because it's easiest to find around here. I've sold all my other tractor turn plows cause I like the disc plows best. They don't hardly ever clog up plowing in cover crops, there isn't any points or mouldboard to replace, and no tripping plows to reset. Most of the time they'll just jerk a little, and shave a piece of lightered stump about the size off the stump in the ground.

I sold a Farmall Cub last year, that I kept a disc plow hooked up on all the time... I could ridge up rows with it just about as good as with a mule. I was only good on light land though....on heavy land it'd stall right out.

have pulled those same plows with a 801 Ford, and they'd go behind a 8N, or a 420 JD easy enough. Tractor are funny, the old JD was about 28 hp and the 801 about 40, the JD would pull the same plow, disc, bush hog, and cultivator, you just had to be careful you didn't turn it over.
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Old 01/27/13, 06:56 PM
 
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Yes it is fyunny. I was born raised in the Mo River foot hills. It was STEEP. It was so steep that some guys had a Wallas 4 wheel drive tractor. Dad was a young kid, and he rode it with them. He said the ground was steeper than most. The guy said to dad. U think any olther tractor could plow up here and not end up on the bottom. Dad said he sure didnt think soi.

My grandads 34 CC Case came with a 3 14 plow, and I know it plowed alright at home. I brought it down here, and had to take a bottom off as it is low slung, and when it hit a really sandy spot, it would drop quick. I wasnt used to that, and tried to fight it out many times. Generally I got it to where the belly was touching the dirt. IF i was really careful, and unhooked the plow, and maybe kicked dirt into the holes the tires had made, and slowly engaged the clutch, she MIGHT walk out, and then id get the chain I kept on the plow to pull it past that spot and go again.
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Old 01/27/13, 08:48 PM
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Long ago I had a near worthless John Deere H and a 2 bottom 16 trailer plow. I could sail right along in my sandy loam soil. But there was one spot of heavier soil. I was rolling along, putt, putt, putt, putt, then I'd get to that one spot, putt..putt...putt........putt.......putt.......... .........putt....putt...putt.., putt, putt, putt. Never stalled, but it got so slow, I couldn't believe it could lug that slow and keep running.
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I cant believe a JD H would pull no more than one 16
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Old 01/28/13, 06:48 AM
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I cant believe a JD H would pull no more than one 16
I had just rebuilt the engine, lots of compression and it was light soil. Neighbor was using a 13 bottom with his 8 wheeled monster tractor.
That JD H wouldn't start when there was work to do, but if I tried it as I was walking past it on my way to get into the truck to go to my job, it started right up. Flywheel start. Just give that flywheel a spin by hand. The flywheel even had indentations on the back for my fingers. Hand clutch, no three point hitch, no power take off, no battery or generator, no pad on the steel seat, no power steering.
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Old 01/28/13, 08:15 AM
 
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yup Hvow all bout them tho I was never round one except at tractor shows. They all had the same things until 46 when they came out with starters.. There was a time when you could take off the steerring wheel an attach it to the flywheel to start it. I cant see how that helped any and I guess it didnt, as they only had that for like a year or 2 before they had starters on them
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