FDA all but forcing irradiation? Check it out
 

http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50865/...ction_KEY=9263

I have seen some foods marked with irradiation. If it all goes this way, I will not be shopping the grocery stores anymore.

Yes lets fear everything and panic about something else. You do realize that some food and medical products have been irradiated since 1963 dont you and that is been studied for 40 years and found safe? Almost all bulk spices in this country have been irradiated and the alternative is chemical fumigation...so which is worse?

The only way people can ally all these fears is to grow their own organically and hope their ground water or rain doesnt have any contamination.

I don't fear irradiation.

However I do think that part of the reason is it allows big producers to be able to be dirtier in production yet not sicken anyone.

Whenever I can I produce my own food. Often I do not even wash it before eating. Me bad.:coffee:

You can be rude. That's fine. I signed it. I grow my own food, so I dont FEAR this crap. This kind of thing is just more incentive to grow more and put away more. I just thought I would share. Good grief.

I am not trying to be rude but these constant posts fearful of just about everything get people unnecessarily riled up and its a wonder people ever even come out of their houses. But then a lot of houses are built in areas with high Radon concentrations and they get irradiated in their own homes anyway. I agree with you, good grief.

The govt is working tirelessly to ensure all food like products sold at grocery stores are at least void of any nutrients and at best, toxic and slowly killing the masses.

I think and it is my .02, that anything do with radiation is dangerous.

And if you trust the government to tell the truth I feel sorry for you. Cant you see that the government isn't our friend.

I agree radiation is dangerous and the government is not our friend. OTOH driving a car is dangerous, farming is dangerous along with a whole host of activities most of us do on a daily basis. Food that has been irradiated is no more dangerous than any other food. It does not become radioactive and it doesn't mutate into some evil monster. More nutrients in our food are destroyed in the cooking and preservation process than in the irradiating process.

If American had been introduced to electricity by seeing an execution in an electric chair we'd still be using candles.

Electricity can KILL you and does KILL people each year. And yet people have no irrational fear of it do they?

But mention "radiation" and people will run screaming into the night. Its not like in the 50s movies where when you expose something to radiation it mutates into a monster and tries to eat the world. If we had been irradiating food since the technology had been available there's not telling how many lives we might have saved nor how many people we could have saved from the painful experience of food poisoning.

SIGH. . .

Hannah, thanks for the heads up. I signed it.

I don't want to be forced to consume irradiated food, no matter how safe some say it is.
Really glad now that I've got more lettuce and spinach coming up in the basement.

Alright, who's the wise guy out there eating electricity? :gaptooth:

Glass and electricity are both lovely things that can kill people and do excellent jobs of warming my home. Neither I want in my food. :grin:

Bad analogy. Your dissing is unnecessary. Back in the first part of the last century people were taking quack irradiation pills and treatments for all sorts of things and that as causing cancer. Radiation has some very serious real dangers. Radiation of food is a concern because it can change otherwise safe molecules into carcinogens.

Most of all, the government shouldn't force things. They should guide gently. There is a little thing called freedom.

A lot of Americans WERE introduced to electricity via the electric chair. Thomas Edison built one of the first electric chairs, using rival Westinghouse's Alternating Current instead of his own Direct Current, as a marketing ploy. Edison used the word Westinghouse as a verb, to execute via Alternating Current. The market still chose AC for power transmission.

When In lived in Russia you could buy a box of milk, leave it in your cabinet and then refrigerate it and drink it when it gets cold. I hope it was safe and I know it was convenient.

Nobody's forcing you to buy irradiated food. Just don't. Your choice. Freedom restored.

Ya really it is no big a deal. All these petitions going around is a waste of time anyway. Oh they make whom ever signs it feel god bad that is all the good it does. And as for as irradiating food been going on for a long time just that a few now seem to think it is a bad thing well gee if it was so bad for a person many folks would have been dead long time ago.
But they are alive today, Because of food getting saver from such things as this.

Just a thought, irradiation may kill the germs of the people who picked the produce. So what is there to protect you from the germ covered hands and feces tainted rat feet that came in contact with that produce after it was irradiated???????

False sense of security for some, an unnecessary treatment for others.

You want irradiated food? Fine, go buy it. Why should I have to have my food irradiated just because you think it's so wonderful?

Europe has been irradiating food for what 20 or 30 years.

You obviously think it's somehow "bad", when in reality it's nothing new and has NO EFFECT on the food itself.

It seems like a big overreaction to me

Here is a nice write up on irradiation
http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/food.htm

Just another side of the issue.

I would imagine most products are done AFTER they are packaged

GCM, thanks for the link.

Check out the thiamin levels in the irradiated vs the canned meats.

The point is most people don't take the time to edcuate themselves. They take what someone has told them, especilly if its something bad, and run with it.


And back then people were doing some stupid things with electricity, you point is?


So does electricity, IT CAN KILL YOU instantly. To me that's a very serious real danger but are we going to stop using it because of that?


Can you point to any peer reviewed study which supports your statement "Radiation of food is a concern because it can change otherwise safe molecules into carcinogens." or are you just parroting something you heard from someone else? I don't know of any but if you do I'd love to read them. The dose level needed to kill 'bugs' on food is so low and delivered for such a short period of time I really doing think you will find such a study.


The gov sets regs based on what people want and for the most part people are either ignorant or stupid or both. Look at how the gov is currently looking to 'adjust' regs on firearms. Are any of these things based on studies or are they all based on political leanings?

Radiation is not the evil monster people seem to think. Over 20 years ago I held fuel pellets soon to be put in a fuel rod for a reactor in my hand with nothing more than a latex glove on and I have yet to get cancer nor grow a 6th finger.

Not quite. Read your own post. He built it to show DC was safer than AC. That means people already knew about the good things electricity could do.

http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/ha...tml?sequence=3
http://srel.uga.edu/ecoviews/ecoview030602.htm
http://www.epa.gov/radtown/docs/food-irradiation.pdf

Quite funny that while the EPA claims it does not change the nutritional value of food, even their own research has proven otherwise.

From the first link -
From the second link -
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Yes, most people just read the headlines and never bother to read the entire articles or articles. Like I said it is not bad, and has been used for many years now, and other countries as well.

Another "scary" thing that gets dredged up every year or so.

Everything done to food changes its nutritional value. You have to balance that change what you get in result. Canning green beans changes their nutritional value but the fact it allows you to preserve them counter balances that change.

This.

If I can just remind everyone to make an effort to not offend, (or be easily offended) be judgemental, or rude when discussing topics, it would be much appreciated. Thanks! :)

Yes that is the truth.
Anybody ever watch the show called "How They Do It? That is on Discovery and Science Channels.
And another new one just started up on Discover America called "Food Nation"
And you see just how fast those lines operate. Some a blinding speed. So fast that the camera can't even pick up the movements.
They either have to slow down the line or have cameras that will do slow motion.
The fact being with as fast as lines move in the producing of food products they have to do something like this irradiating because of things that "might" sneak through.
Even magnets trying to catch small particles of machinery that is running so fast.
Sometimes some small pieces of metal Does Make it through then a recall is issued.
The point being as fast as food is canned, as fast as meat is cut, as fast as meat is packaged it really is a miracle that we have food as save as it is today with as much as being canned, packaged and handled.
So this and other things are being done to make sure the food is healthy and safe to eat.
Watch some of those shows once in awhile it may just open some eyes as to how things are handled and trying their best to make sure everything is safe for human consumption.
You may not agree with it thats fine, that is why a lot on here grow their own food. But the masses over 300 million to feed in the USA alone and more around the world want their food Fast, want food easy to prepare, want food that is and looks nice.
And as cheap as possible
"Presentation is everything".
That is the way it is in todays fast paced world.

Its true fast food is king these days and thats the downfall of people trapped in that dominion. If anything upsets the modern food chain people will starve or poison themselves because they can't cook! It's sad really! but Canada went through the Maple Leaf and XL foods meat issues and scary as it is most meat goes through these plants to our tables. I'd rather have irradiated manure than steaming fresh but seriously I'll grow my own and use a local butcher who I know personally as long as I can! Then once the govt. has run my local butcher outa business, as a dottering old fool, I will butcher my own. And hopefully, god willing I will die old, and my kids will know how to do the same! I'd think it hopeless except my son gets it!

Steve L. you actually provided the quotes that prove my point. Regardless of the fact that Americans consume more than enough thiamin daily, irradiation still depletes thiamin levels in treated food.

watcher, of course processing changes food nutritional levels. Even dehydration depletes vit C levels in fruits and vegetables. But dehydrator companies are not going around saying that dehydration does not change the nutritional value of the treated food. Just setting around depletes some nutritional value of foods. Should that give the EPA license to LIE about said depletion?????

I don't trust anything that has anything to do with radiation. But then again I don't trust big ag either. I grow for my family because that's the only way to be sure it's 100% safe.

Of course an irradiated chive isn't going to kill you.

But when everything you buy at the grocery store is drained of nutrients, you're gonna end up with a lot of sick people. Clearly, that is where we are as a nation.

I've never found a bug in a bag of greens I bought at the store but I have picked them out of my plate, after being cooked, when mom washed home grown ones in the kitchen sink. Which one sounds 'cleaner' to you?

Why not? I'm really curious why you are so afraid of it.

You are exposed to it every day. Do you refuse to have a microwave in your house? A cell phone?

How about those folks that have inferred heaters? That is a form of radiation plain and simple. Just that some keep thinking that ALL radiation is bad from the atomic age and scary bombs and stuff. And it is not, when used as directed to cleanse or disinfect things.