FDA all but forcing irradiation? Check it out

Hannah, did you read the PDF linked to on the OCA web page you posted?

I would doubt it. She rinsed the greens in the same sink she cut up chicken and washed babies in (not at the same time of course) and I never saw her disinfect it.

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But all do damage to cells. Why be scared of one and not the other? Because when you hear one you think China syndrome and "the bomb" when you hear the other you think of warming up a cup of coffee while talking to your mother.

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Hmmmm, umpteen years ago I bought and cooked a ham that just was rubber. Never saw anything like it. In an effort to try to figure out what the devil was going on I retrieved the package and read it end for end. It said that the product had been irratiated for consumer protection. It was horrible. Didn't buy another one and started checking everything for that wording. Second experience was with a sweetpotato. I bought several for Thanksgiving and didn't use one of them. They were irradiated. I didn't give it much thought but somewhere down the line I forgot about it being irradiated and thought I would let it sprout and make plants. Well, that thing sat on my cupboard for TWO whole years and it didn't sprout and it didn't rot! TWO YEARS. It didn't even even shrivel up. Being as I grow most all of my food I don't give it much thought. Even though it does strange things to food I still would prefer irradiation to dying from some gawd awful thing that contaminated my food. I guess people want to have a choice and then maybe they should be willing to not sue when they get sick from bad food. Can't have it both ways.

It amazes me that there's been no fear at all of the UV pasteurization that's been taking place the past 10 or so years.

Says who? I didn't want my milk pasturized so I bought raw. I couldn't find it clean so I bought a cow. I have no interest in intentionally killing the nutrients in my food simply because the gov't mass produces it and can't keep it clean enough for us to consume.

I agree with you whole heartedly, Karen. I wish more folks would grow their own food. As long as the FDA doesn't tell me I have to irradiate it XD

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“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as a sorry state as the souls who live under tyranny." ~ Thomas Jefferson.

Because the masses are more concerned with Real Housewives and American Idol and because of them we are in a hot mess as a country. And not only with food, but with out of control gov't. It's their own darn fault they choose to be so far removed from the food that nourishes their children's bodies ... and mine should not suffer because of it !!!!! They don't care about poisioning their own kids and it's affecting mine - so you want to talk about selfishness ?? You're directing your distain to the wrong group of folks !!!!!

That's fine with me, but the gov't doesn't mass produce it.

You can't blame the people when they've been conditioned and brainwashed that this is the way they are 'suppose' to live. They honest and truly don't know any other way and American Idol and Housewives doesn't have a single thing to do with it.

I don't understand why providing for our own families is no longer promoted by the government nor even the general public who know better. We've been conditioned to depend on others for our survivial -- as well as our happiness. And we wonder why the crime rate is so high and why children no longer have respect. Go figure!

It seems we'd all rather take up the issues and politics around food production, welfare, etc. rather than promoting family 'victory gardens' and simpler living. If those of us who know better, as well as these food activist, would spend half the time promoting and teaching growing your own food as they do in the political arena and just fussing about it in general, then what the government, Monsanto, and all the rest does would be totally moot.

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I think we are way past the time when everybody can have their own little magical Victory Garden. This earth is way over it's carrying capacity in food, water, heating fuel and other things. There are too many people period. It takes drastic measures to feed, clothe and house what is already here. The dreams of the little piece of land for everybody is long gone. Sure there is alot of land that isn't populated but that is because it isn't fit to be populated. Good land talks about a cow per acre whereas alot of the remaining land would take 100 acres to support a cow. We don't have to be rocket scientists to realize that we have overpopulated eden and have to live with the consequences.

At the same time, denying that some food handling methods have been proven to have high a higher degree of safety than others is totally hyprcritical. Methods of 100 years ago were the best at the time but a certain degree of failure was accepted. Now it is not.

Martin

Of course you can blame them! Why in the world would anyone not be responsible for filling their family with smut and crap food? Who is responsible if the individual family is not????? It's not the gov't place to promote victory gardens; it's the family's place to resist the easy way out - to lay up with Jerry Springer all day while the world passes by - totally checked out of stepping up to do what is right.

American Idol and Real Housewives are distractions that people fall for. All these media harlots who run around popping out babies with guys who beat women, these people like the Paris Hilton chick who is NOTHING and has NOTHING to offer - their lives are paraded around on TV and the general public soaks them up like they are important.

Is it really that difficult to turn off the crap and focus on what is right ??? I did it - after years and years of subscribing to People magazine-and I am nothing special. I do not think it's too much to ask that others do the same thing for the health of their family.

You know what I meant. Because the gov't oversees the mass production. Because the gov't allows the mass production. Because the gov't rubber stamps the mass production. Because the gov't encourages the mass production. Because the gov't doesn't care about the sanitation in mass production it resorts to further damaging the nurtrients in the food - because the gov't WANTS you to be improperly nourished because your poor health provides the gov't with more funds.

But you are correct-the gov't NEVER produces ANYTHING worthwhile. EVER.

Who would you say should be responsible for the safety of the meat and other food that I must buy? For certain, I would never trust you or Karen to be in charge! You don't care for anything except what's in your own little worlds and those worlds are where nobody counts except yourselves.

Martin

Wrong.

I provide others with eggs, milk and meat. And they come to me because they know I am not willing to feed my livestock ANYTHING I wouldn't feed my kids. USDA rubber stamps mean *nothing* to these folks. And organic lable means nothing. What does mean something is that they are welcome to come see where the chickens they will be eating were raised, they are welcome to come see where the cow and goats live and what they eat and how they are milked.

Trust me, those who sit in front of a tv all day and cut out coupons for free processed food like products from the grocery store do not bother. And other than feeling sad for their children, fine with me. I can't save the world, and honestly don't care about trying to save those who think eating real food is not worth it.

So yeah, if you think the gov't is your baby's daddy - we have nothing further to discuss.

I'd say you are responsible for the safety of the food you consume. When did it become someone else's responsibility to feed you? And I believe you are mistaken when you say that Shannon is selfish in her crusade against the mass produced near food the general public is consuming, I'd say she is more concerned with the safety of the food other peoples children are eating than most of them are.

Where are your qualifications to dictate what meat and other foods that I should eat or your right to bully and belittle any who do not choose to follow your agenda? I've already linked to a small local meat operation which I frequently visit and the potential consequences. If it were not for government interdiction, how many more customers might be affected? What if one were me? Would you say that it's my fault for not buying from you? If something that the FDA does which prevents me from being hauled off to the hospital, I'd advise them to not only do it once but twice to make certain that it was done right the first time.

Martin

Well, I don't really have a dog in this fight but I am thinking that if some people want to grow their food and not eat processed food that is great and if they want to sell it to other people that want to buy it that is great too. However, if everybody else wants to go to the groc. store and not get ecoli, samanella and other nasty things then that is their right. If somebody wants to watch tv shows I don't like they can do that too. What is with this "My way is the only way" attitude.

Eat whatever you want. This is still America for awhile. Feed your kids Pop Tarts and Diet Coke for breakfast, but do not pretend that my right to clean food comes 2nd to your right to crap food just because you are in the majority and the gov't has your back. Feed your kids whatever you want-as long as it doesn't affect my rights and my kid's rights - which clearly are being effected with over reaching gov't control (and lack of concern for real food).

The issue is not you wanting the gov't to be your safety net; the issue is that the general population is SO far removed it becomes MY issue as the gov't control continues to sky rocket. Perhaps you shouldn't rely on the gov't to ensure you are not hauled off to the hospital and instead you learn to grow your own meat.