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06/03/14, 06:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by dlskidmore
Get him to set a budget, or a tit for tat system where money he spends on tools becomes your budget for the garden. Then stick to the budget so he can't complain.
Another thing to do is have a small roadside stand and try to pay for next year's garden out of this year's profits. Start small with a pumpkin patch or the like. One packet of seed goes a long way.
Sometimes though when doing the math you do need to consider use. Do you already spend that much on grapes? Will you be able to save all that or will you still end up buying them when they are out of season and have too much in season?
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I can see the value there. I go through $6 in 100% pure grape juice per week.
Spending $100 to eventually save $312 per year is a no-brainer.
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06/03/14, 07:07 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5
This photo is from Spring 2012
The top two rows, I want to add (2) beds at the end of each row, and the third row, I want to add 1 more bed, make a total of 20--10x3 raised beds.
To the left, of the last row.....there is about the same amount of space fenced in that you can't see as the raised beds are in.
I also have extra fencing and posts to make the garden area larger if I want.
The main thing I grow and can are tomatoes. Last year was a total bust (drought and depression) so I didn't get one jar filled. This year I want to attack this like a lion!!
I don't know what to do.
I am not sure how to get the "most" out of what I have.
I am going to start composting this year...
I would LOVE to grow 75% of our food....ultimately 100%
I sure would love some ideas.
I am in Zone 5 Central Indiana.
There is NO wind break for this garden.
It is 100% sunshine from about 9am on.
It only gets sunrise shade.
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How strong are your winds and from what direction? Make an alley on the outside of your fence-double fence-on the sides the wind comes from, and esplanier fruit or nut trees on the outside fence. Make your alley wide enough that you can easily walk down it and get to each tree as it grows.
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06/03/14, 07:25 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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Originally Posted by Marilyn
Count me in. I'm already beginning to feel accountable to all of you, thinking about doing a better job of weeding, etc. It will also encourage me to do a better job of weighing produce and keeping better records in general.
Think I need to figure out how to make seed pots from newspaper tomorrow!
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I think all print businesses use soy inks now, but you might want to check-including color inks. If it's not soy based inks, dont use them.
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06/03/14, 07:45 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by COWS
Re the 50 year lifetime for a fence, maybe in a dry climate, but not in wetter parts of the country.
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Yeah, I suspect the posts at the top of the hill will last 30 years, and the ones at the bottom of the hill will need replacing every 10-15.
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06/03/14, 07:48 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by crazyfarm
Since we have kids I want to provide better food and growing it myself seems the most sustainable option.
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You're between a rock and a hard place. All you can do is ask him for a budget he won't complain about, and pray carefully about how to spend it.
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06/03/14, 07:56 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by urban gleaner
esplanier fruit or nut trees on the outside fence
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Quicker but less satisfying in the long run, you could do a willow coppice there. Some places grow willow for fuel, but it has a low energy density compared to other woods. Others coppice for willow withes for weaving and living structures.
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06/03/14, 08:50 PM
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Join Date: May 2014
Location: Goshen, CT
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I love this post... since we bought our house/property a few months ago we have made some raised beds. We are up to 13 chickens... although I'm sure some are roosters, so they will wind up in the freezer. We are building a second barn for a couple of dairy goats. We will be building a shelter and installing fencing for a few pigs for us and a friends family. Right now we buy our raw milk from another dairy farm on our road and meat from another farm about 30 minutes away...
The goal is to be more self sufficient. I don't know what percentage we will achieve.
I have started a variety of tomatoes, eggplant, sweet and hot peppers, squash, watermelons, pumpkins, radish, lettuces,carrots, and a variety of herbs...
I also planted baby pecan, peach, cherry trees, and one grape vine so far... plus we have a lot of raspberry bushes in the back of our property.
I love canning and baking and I've been making all our bread.
My son uses a ton of ketchup, so I'm going to try to make and can our own from our tomatoes this summer. I will can jam and whatever I can from the garden.
This is our first year, so I hope to increase every coming year...
We are in Northwest Connecticut. Zone 6.
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06/03/14, 09:20 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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ChicChic, sounds like you are well on your way. Just work your garden this year and while doing so, start planning next years garden. Add more chickens, meat birds and more layers. Sell excess eggs, can more veggies, etc, etc.
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06/03/14, 09:38 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 679
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Originally Posted by crazyfarm
Google trash can root cellars. I've also seen people use broken fridge/freezers and coolers as root cellars. Look into it!
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I will, thanks!
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06/03/14, 10:40 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Kentucky
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Last edited by kycountry; 06/04/14 at 06:56 AM.
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06/03/14, 11:21 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: sw virginia
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well produceing my own food has become just part of the routine here . after getting canning and the beef cow pork chickens, massive gardens and dairy goat established and more fruit trees growing . the trick is to just keep adding more of the things you like to the homestead honey bees ' sourgum kane , . I will admit to spending cash at the feed store and on junk food .but I really would not have to leave the farm for months if I didn't need fuel for the tractor( and a junk food habit) .I always try to grow to much that way if something goes wrong I may still have enough, if they go well I can sell or give away extras .remember canning and freezeing are a big part of not only gardening but animal husbandry as well
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06/04/14, 06:32 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 904
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Originally Posted by arnie
well produceing my own food has become just part of the routine here . after getting canning and the beef cow pork chickens, massive gardens and dairy goat established and more fruit trees growing . the trick is to just keep adding more of the things you like to the homestead honey bees ' sourgum kane , . I will admit to spending cash at the feed store and on junk food .but I really would not have to leave the farm for months if I didn't need fuel for the tractor( and a junk food habit) .I always try to grow to much that way if something goes wrong I may still have enough, if they go well I can sell or give away extras .remember canning and freezeing are a big part of not only gardening but animal husbandry as well
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Arnie, Will you please show us a more complete picture of that goat milker?
And, Why not have two of them going?
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06/04/14, 08:24 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 423
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Originally Posted by Rustaholic
Arnie, Will you please show us a more complete picture of that goat milker?
And, Why not have two of them going?
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I am pretty sure that is a fruit jar hand milker. This image isn't mine.. it's from the web.
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06/04/14, 09:45 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: sw virginia
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yes that is a fruit jar milker they work with a hand powered vacume pump ; just look at "milkers" on ebay and lots will pop up some even have battery powered pumps . and also yes I could use two or even add a T and another teat cup( which is actually a big syrindge without the plundger ). but the way i'm doing it works fine I get to spend a few more mins. quiet time with the goat .I did adapt my oranganal milker up from a quart jar to a half gallon to not have to switch jars mid milking .
I hand milked a gentile giant brown swiss cow for years ,and with plenty of pasture and hay here; this was a great system raiseing her angus cross calf every year filled the freezer and a pig grew really well on the extra milk as well . But I lost her to old age it seems last spring . the shock of the prices "BROKE TO HAND MILK " dairy cows are bringing along with me not really needing that much milk led me to try a dairy goat even though I do have to keep her in the barn with my old fenceing .I find that she doesn't eat that much . and I still have a angus cow to raise a calf for beef on pasture . though I am still in the market for a milk cow and will likely raise a dairy heifer calf because with so much grass and hay this is my least expencive with less labor option for milk . till then the goat is fitting in well and the milker along with the wooden stand saves my back
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06/04/14, 09:53 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Wyoming
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Originally Posted by gweny
I will, thanks!
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I got to thinking that Ruth Stout simply put a straw bale on top of her root veggies while they were still in the ground. Not sure how cold her area got though....
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06/04/14, 09:56 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by crazyfarm
As far as how much we spend on grapes, pretty much nothing. I have a strict grocery budget that doesn't allow for a lot of expensive fruits. Since we have kids I want to provide better food and growing it myself seems the most sustainable option.
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I hear ya! It's not always easy to figure out where it's all coming from. One thing that has worked for me is to start with the vegetable garden and add one long term investment (orchard) item each year. That way you can baby it the first year and get it off to a good start. By far, a vegetable garden gives you the quickest return on your investment. We save so much money each year by growing it ourselves and the bonus is that I know where it came from and how it was grown. If you have the room, potatoes (or sweet potatoes if you are in a hot climate) are a great crop that can keep you well fed through the winter. Stagger your plantings to get a longer fresh harvest and learn how to can if you don't already. Be careful when taking on animals as well. Economically they do not always pay for themselves depending on how much food you need to buy for them.
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06/04/14, 10:23 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Wyoming
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Originally Posted by siletz
I hear ya! It's not always easy to figure out where it's all coming from. One thing that has worked for me is to start with the vegetable garden and add one long term investment (orchard) item each year. That way you can baby it the first year and get it off to a good start. By far, a vegetable garden gives you the quickest return on your investment. We save so much money each year by growing it ourselves and the bonus is that I know where it came from and how it was grown. If you have the room, potatoes (or sweet potatoes if you are in a hot climate) are a great crop that can keep you well fed through the winter. Stagger your plantings to get a longer fresh harvest and learn how to can if you don't already. Be careful when taking on animals as well. Economically they do not always pay for themselves depending on how much food you need to buy for them.
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I have a modest veggie garden going this year. We will see what happens with it. I do hope to set up a full orchard. Been doing my research on what grows here. So far I've bought the grapes and got strawberry and raspberry starts for free from other people. So that's 3 long term projects for us. I'm babying the grapes the most. I have big dreams for them! I'm sure when my husband is eating all our fresh food he'll appreciate the expense a bit more! I'm really quite anxious to get my tree orchard in though. Fresh apples and such are such a dream! We will just see if my grape protection works. If it does then we might be able to plant some trees that survive.
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06/04/14, 10:40 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Oh, I forgot the biggest change we made this year to increase our food production. Hubby normally does not take much interest in the farm, but I've occasionally bought farm fresh eggs which he likes, so he asked me if we could get chickens. They are in our brooder now.
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06/04/14, 10:42 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: sw virginia
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root cellar

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Originally Posted by crazyfarm
I got to thinking that Ruth Stout simply put a straw bale on top of her root veggies while they were still in the ground. Not sure how cold her area got though....
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a root cellar is a great addition to a homestead we built ours by digging into a steeper hillside and burying three sides but potatoes will keep from 1 harvest to the next and canned goods kept from freezing . along with many other things apples cabbage .it was a good investment
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06/04/14, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Wyoming
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Originally Posted by arnie
a root cellar is a great addition to a homestead we built ours by digging into a steeper hillside and burying three sides but potatoes will keep from 1 harvest to the next and canned goods kept from freezing . along with many other things apples cabbage .it was a good investment 
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I have super flat land. lol I'd have to build a hill first! I would love to build a root cellar though. It's just be a rather big undertaking for us.
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