gun posing question.

Fbb u are describing a senerio that u have no advantage in that is putting other people's lives in danger! If a criminal shoots one they are prolly going to shoot them all cause of witness. So if your pellet gun dosnt kill all 3-4 robbers than U have escalated a situation that could have been just a robbery stealing from a insured instatution into a multiple homicide but u wanna fight crime with a pellet gun. Seriously! One if that's something you are putting thought into than sell a tractor n get the money. U don't pay your mortgage or anything anyway n go to sale all the time n buy stuff so use that money. Your what if senerio is terrible u your self claim to not be able to move around like u used to. So you are going to knowingly choose to be in situations one your not trained for even with basic handgun class which is moot anyway cause u don't have a gun with your inability to react quickly cause of health issue. U don't describe a realistic senerio at all. Add in the fact could be a mother working late shift to buy a bday present for there three year old kid dead along with u cause YOU wanna be a hero. Now there's a lawsuit for wrongful death cause of this wanting to be a hero but that three year kid with no mother on there bday can't get anything cause u got nothing. All because u wanna be a hero with pellet gun. It's not the fact your not trying to be honorable it's that u wanna do it half way. Sell some scrap metal get your conceal n a real gun n training for that type of situation if that's what concerns you. Don't come n try n save people unprepared ill equipped n potential get them killed cause u have a fantasy of being a hero. With u mentioning the dying being a hero shows your true motive in this senerio which is a selfish as the people robbing the store if not more cause they might not have killed anyone till u escalated things with a pellet gun.

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A .357 magnum is a lot better to carry than a BB pistol or pellet gun. And a back-up .38 is even better. Yeah, it costs more money and you need to get the CCW permit to be Legal. You need to put some rounds through the two of them to stay in practice.
But, they are very comforting to have with you, when you make those stops at the Quick-Pick or the Village Pantry, late at night.
I guess I've had my CCW for 30+ years. And my DSW has had her's about 20 years.
It's not all that big a deal. And it's worth the effort...........

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There are certainly serious airguns out there, the Crosman revolver is a recreational version that IS a lot of fun. It is too difficult to guess the outcome of using it as a personal defence weapon, it was never intended as such. You might scatter some thugs you might turn a simple grab for cash into a massacre. Both are easily possible. I would think if you tried to stop a crime only slightly better than bare handed, you might be doing right, but you'll have to live with things gone wrong too. And to be honest I would think the latter a more likely outcome. The first guy yells ow, the other two beat you to a pulp. The responsible thing to do if you feel you would intervene to save innocent lives is get yourself properly trained and legally armed. And call 911 first.

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Read some of those search results, one of the is average of 4 people are killed with a BB gun each year. More people get killed by lightning. The fact is that most robberies at gas stations don't result in murder. You would be escalating a situation without being properly armed. If you did want to play hero, you don't just sit back and shoot at one guy. The key is surprise, speed, and an overwhelming violence of action. I'd rather use a good knife than a pellet gun in that situation.

Every situation is different and many aren't even considering the opening post. The odds of each of the robbers having a gun are very low. Element of surprise is on the side of the customer who isn't supposed to be armed with what looks like a more powerful weapon, and seeing the one with the gun throw his hands to his face makes the other 2 think that maybe they should get out of there. Especially if there's also pellets puncturing their faces. They don't know what that gun is, they'll just know that they've been hit. If one wanted to be really effective, don't aim for one eye but two. Blind man ain't going to be able to shoot anybody and ain't going anywhere.

Martin

First you have to hit the face much less something as small as an eye. I just can't help but think these scenario's are from ODing on A Christmas Story on christmas, or maybe to many westerns.

I'm ex-USMC. We weren't taught to take out a manual and find out what applies to a given situation. Decision had to be made in a few seconds. "Who goes there, friend or foe?" is only in fairy tales. Some of my training was amphibious reconnaissance. The situation must be evaluated immediately. One reacts now effectively or one is dead.

Martin

One more point. If you're not proficient enough to hit a target as big as a quarter at the distance you'd encounter in Bill's situation, turn around and walk away and read about it in the newspaper the next day. I could hit a squirrel's head with a .22 pistol at 25'. Next time the Olympics are on, watch the shooting events. There's 10-meter air pistol. One doesn't have to be quite as good as those athletes but if you can't come somewhat close, keep it at home for plinking pop cans.

As an aside, I've often thought that the most effective but cruelest stopper would be a short-barreled .22 with bird shot. At 15' with my pistol, pattern is a foot wide. Instant blindness!

Martin

VERY long time ago, I worked for a "Stop-N-Rob" (convenience store) in Texas. General orders were, give them the money.

I don't know HOW many times, a store clerk THREW things at the robber and chased them away....one clerk threw chewing gum! A good many of us carried guns...against company policy. The day I did NOT carry mine...thought "holdup season" was over...I was robbed at gunpoint by a 13 year old kid. When the kid left the store, I followed him for almost two blocks...he never looked back once.

Thankfully, I was able to give the police GOOD information and description, AND, had managed to get his fingerprints on the change drawer That kid robbed three other stores that morning and used two different guns, both in his possession when the police picked him up.

Just sayin', a LOT of time, the clerk knows what to do (which does NOT include following...just sayin') and will do their best to make sure that they, and any customers, come out all right.

And the one person I knew who *actually* had their gun at hand when robbed...when the robber walked out with the money, the clerk grabbed their gun from under the counter, blew out five plate glass windows and both doors in the store AND the 40 foot lighted store sign on the corner...and there was no blood trail from the robber.

Mon

Reading posts on the previous page. I like P see that Mav and Ross, youguys havnt read the opening post. There ARE 3 alright, BUT ones in a car by the main door looking for red and blue lights. The other ones between the door and the man at the cash register. IF the car driver is the newest thug, OR NOT, He may IF/when a shot is fired get scared and drive off. If he see the color lights discribed above, he likely will honk his horn, and IF they arent out in 5 secs drive off anyway. The one near the door midway make go with him when he hears the horn. The one with the most experience and guts and staying power will be the one at the register. If he gets shot, the back bone will go outa all of them. When I got shot with those paint balls, I wasnt thinking about where they came from. I was registering the pain, and kept reregistering with each incoming shot. I didnt think at all about retaliating, I didnt think about hideing, I kept concentrating on the pain.

Bill wants to envision himself as a hero going out, either dieing with others or saving lives with his bb guns smoking. My hope upon hope, is that a scenario like that never happens!

Leaves a bad flavor for being a responsible citizen, Bill! Actually there's little responsibility shown, if it came to it.

You keep talking about paint ball guns and trying to get away from them. I've been hit by them as well as bb guns. If it wasn't a game, I'd be POed and come hunting you.

You think you can hit them in the eyes? How much do you practice under any kind of stress? Yeah, I can kill critters or hit targets all day long with never a mix of emotion anymore. Met with a firearm once wielded by another, just made me mad!

It wouldn't be movie like, no matter what you were carrying... and I hope I'm never confronted with a situation that I need to draw a firearm. There is no firearm that I'd feel comfortable with, if it happened. If I'm able, I will put bullets into them, till there is no chance of them putting one into me.

Very little chance of you assesing the situation for his cohorts, or outcome in the tragedy you have described.

Joe Did you see ANYWHERE where I said I could hit anybody in the eyes? There aint. I said Id try to hit him in the side of the head. Maybe the ear by accident, as I would be close to the wall in the furtherst aisle from the counter. The counters all run from the clerks desk back to the beer and pop gladd doors.

Yes, The paint ball deal was in a paint ball war I was in ONCE. Getting shot in the butt was in a rumble in the late 59 thereabouts when we lived in St Joe Mo for 2yrs.
I agree with you. I hope I never get put in that situation myself. It was just an exercise brought on by idle thinking while not wanting to get up on a cold morning. I have high blood pressure, and I hardly ever take my pills for it. Id hate to see what might happen under that situation. As you said, If I did hit him in the head and he started acting crazy, trying to get his squared back to business, Id be hosing him down with the contents of the guns, Either pellet, or 36 cal

We don't need frayed tempers over this. I'm going to lock it for the weekend and if Bill wants it re-opened Monday he can send me a PM then. Take care all.

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