GMO Studies

There are plenty of anti GMO people out there.

Why aren't they putting their money where their mouth is and perfornming their own tests?

Monsnato surely tests it products, to ensure, that they are basically safe, but if they don't find any negative effects, they are just supposed to keep testing and testing, until they do? (they might even be doing this) Who would believe them if they don't find anything?

GMO's have been in wide use for 13 years now and the world has not been able to detect any real negatives. World wide cancer rates, continue to drop every year.

Seems pretty "proven", but if it's bad, prove it to be.

Well there sure isn't any scientific hard evidence and that is the truth.

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Bill, I don't think I've ever read a scientific study that didn't say, somewhere or another, that "more studies need to be done". Researchers make their living by doing more studies!

[QUOTE=plowjockey;6355144]There are plenty of anti GMO people out there.

Why aren't they putting their money where their mouth is and perfornming their own tests?

Monsnato surely tests it products, to ensure, that they are basically safe, but if they don't find any negative effects, they are just supposed to keep testing and testing, until they do? (they might even be doing this) Who would believe them if they don't find anything?

You know Monsanto did studies on rats for 90 days. All was fine so the round-up ready and GM corn must be safe. Problem is the tumors showed up in 18 months.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...ew-study-finds

At last, a link to an article that actually references a study! Wonderful! Thank you, Steff.

http://research.sustainablefoodtrust...inal-Paper.pdf

So, 20 treatments of 10 rats, each. The only replication is by individual rat, so we really have no good measure for the variability of mortality or of tumor formation in the treatment populations (each rat is 10% of the entire population).

If I submitted a grape vine management study with a design like this to my boss as a possible MS project, she'd laugh at me.

Ya really and besides humans are not rats. Never have been never will be.
These type f studies are so bogus it is no wonder they are never repeated, or their misinformation, and hyping the unknown would be discovered.

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LOL
More of the same old HYPE.
That's why no one listens to the antis anymore
You recycle the same DISPROVEN studies from the same DISCREDITED "scientists", when even the slightest research shows they are NOT reliable sources for anything other than MISinformation

From your link:
Now the reality:
http://www.hangthebankers.com/eu-rej...ize-to-cancer/

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What I can gather from the battle of the links is that gmo's have neither been proven safe nor proven harmful. So those against gmo's are correct that they do not just take the word of the companies producing them.

Organically grown foods haven't been "proven safe" either, for that matter.
No one is asking them to do that.


This thread was started by someone who wanted 'help' finding studies. The links are for people who want to read the studies, instead of "just tak(ing) the word of the companies producing them".

Um yeah OK, crops not grown in a toxic soup of weed and insect killers needs to be proven safe. Here's an update for you, humans have been growing crops without chemicals for thousands of years, is that proof enough for you?

You're missing the point.

No one can 'prove' that either GMO's or organically grown food are 'safe', just like you can't 'prove' that your dog won't bite the mailman some day.

All we can do in both cases is test for potential harm. We've been 'testing' organic a little bit longer.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you

And a great many people have died from food-borne illnesses from those supposedly "proven-safe" foods over the years, some quite recently. Kinda sets the bar for GMOs lower than some would care to admit.
There's no way to prove ANYTHING is safe. In the case of food, we just have to accept that some minimal level of risk is better than the alternative of starving to death and work to lower the risk over time.

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Thanks, that's mighty kind of you. I appreciate it.

OK, let's use your logic. Chemical free crops are safe because they have been grown for thousands of years. Right? Is that what you are saying? No "tests" or "studies" need to be done because it is just dad blame obvious that they are safe.

Well, GMO has been planted on millions of acres and fed to millions of humans and millions of animals for over two decades with no negative health effects. But that doesn't seem as obvious to you?

How many folks got sick or died from that Organic spinich that had Organic pig manure on it? organic safe? Not always.

[quote=steff bugielski;6368246]I don't believe - for one second, that Monsanto did one 90 day test on ANY of their products and "called it good". They are smarter than that.

As far as "GMO causes cancer" can anyone find find any research study - other than the French one - which has been debunked by real scientists, again and again and again.....

Toxic soup? Explain what you mean by "toxic soup". Does a pound of active ingredient per acre constitute a crop grown in a "toxic soup"? VERY VERY VERY curious about what you call a "toxic soup". So go ahead, show us what you know about herbicide application rates... Go ahead, your turn.

I only know that i would like to make a choice, as in labeling GMO so we can let the market decide. What good does it do any consumer when a big corperation holds patents on food crops & seeds. Do you really trust Monsanto. I know how i feel about it. freedom of choice please.

Trust monsanto? I dunno, do you trust Bayer, Dow, nufarm, pioneer, dekalb, viterra, cargill, bunge, cheminova, dupont? There are more companies in the fray than monsanto. For some reason, so many on here focus on the one company monsanto and blame them for "controlling" our food supply! They are one of dozens of players in the field, they have no monopoly on the science of gm crops, nor will they ever. For those concerned about the food supply, I would suggest they focus their concern over it, not on a company, but on the skies. What happens in the clouds, and with the weather has far more impact on our food supply than little old monsanto EVER will.