Monsanto and my opinions/impressions

If you knew much about growing wheat or any other grassy grain, you would know weeds are not a major problem for them. They all grow faster than most annuals so there's no need for any herbicide. Other than Canada thistles, I've never seen a weed problem in any grain field.

The Monsanto project is to develop a more drought resistant line which requires less fertilizer. They abandoned the Roundup wheat idea in 2004 and there is no proof that there is any intention of resuming something that is not needed.

Martin

Huber is a QUACK who just made up his "findings"

There is NO GMO wheat and he GUESSED it had been sprayed with Roundup

That's why no one takes the "anti's" seriously any more.
They keep trotting out the SAME tired debunked "studies"

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Ah yes, the Huber study...
I suppose if you are rabidly anti GMO then you can overlook the obvious flaws in this report.

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"No great thing is created suddenly." ~Epictitus

Have you heard Dr. Huber speak? Have you heard his explanation of how those heifers supposedly did not become pregnant? As a Purude Alumnus I am embarrassed by the lack of critical thinking Dr. Huber has used in the recent years to defend his positio against the use of glyphosate.

What Dr. Huber claimed happened to those cows can not be explained by the use of glyphosate, it is simply impossible. If his theory was correct weh should be experiencing rampant non-pregnancy in the livestock industry, that is not happening.

Not to mention dramatically dropping wildlife populations, dying soil, void waterways, and so on...

I will give Dr. Huber credit for his research on the chelating effects of the glyphoste molecule on mineral ions. His research has helped us time the application of foliar fertilizers to improve yields in soybeans.

Internal memoranda revealed that Monsanto (a manufacturer of 2,4,5-T) had informed the U.S. government in 1952 that its 2,4,5-T was contaminated.[18] In the manufacture of 2,4,5-T, accidental overheating of the reaction mixture easily causes the product to condense into the toxic self-condensation product TCDD. At the time, precautions were not taken against this unintended side reaction, which caused also the Seveso disaster in Italy in 1976. In 1979, the Yale biologist Arthur Galston, who specialized in herbicide research, published a review of what was known at the time about the toxicity of TCDD. Even "vanishingly small" quantities of dioxin in the diet caused adverse health effects when tested on animals.[17] Since then, TCDD has been comprehensively studied. It has been associated with increased neoplasms in every animal bioassay reported in the scientific literature.[19] The National Toxicology Program has classified TCDD as "known to be a human carcinogen", frequently associated with soft-tissue sarcoma, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, Hodgkin's lymphoma and chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL).[20][21]


While the two herbicides that make up Agent Orange, 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T, remain toxic over a short period—a scale of days or weeks—they quickly degrade.[citation needed] A 1969 report authored by K. Diane Courtney and others found 2,4,5-T could cause birth defects and stillbirths in mice.[22] Several studies have shown an increased rate of cancer mortality for workers exposed to 2,4,5-T. In one such study, from Hamburg, Germany, the risk of cancer mortality increased by 170% after working for 10 years at the 2,4,5-T-producing section of a Hamburg manufacturing plant.[19] Three studies have suggested prior exposure to Agent Orange poses an increased risk of acute myelogenous leukemia in the children of Vietnam veterans.[14]


Starting in 1991, the US Congress asked the Institute of Medicine to review the scientific literature on Agent Orange and the other herbicides used in Vietnam, including their active ingredients and the dioxin contaminant. The IOM found an association between dioxin exposure and diabetes.[23][24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange


My dad's death certificate states that my dad died of cancer related to exposure to Agent Orange during active service in Vietnam.


Agent orange was NEVER safe, as a byproduct of the manufacturing process was dioxin which present in tiny amounts was known and there was no way at the time to manufacture the chemical without it being present. The companies knew it was not safe and the US Government was notified and yet, they still purchased millions and millions of gallons of the stuff and sprayed it where OUR troops were stationed and the troops were contaminated by drift and overspray and direct "rain" of spray.


Monsanto, Dow and every chemical company which manufactured this chemical were complicite in the deaths and birth defects of hundreds of US troops and their children. They knew the chemical was contaminated and yet continued to profit from the sale to the government who used it during the war.

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Be yourself - no one can tell you that you're doing it wrong!

Thank you!!!!!!

And you think that I should trust a company that did not do enough testing to find the "most toxic chemical known to man?"

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

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Do you refuse to buy products made of plastic or foam insulation because Dow also makes them?
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I don't eat foam insulation. Do you????......how do you prefer it.....raw?? broiled??? boiled?? baked???

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4,5-T...oxyacetic_acid

Wikipedia?????

Perhaps I need to repeat the question....or re-phrase it......if Monsanto's testing of Agent Orange was not able to detect the effects of dioxin, then why should I trust them when they say a product is safe???

I am not about to trust them......ESPECIALLY after conversations with their executives and other employees!!!!!

IMO, their history shows that they are not to be trusted.

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

Wiki is not "evil" lol - especially if you follow the citations to the actual data/information.

Monsanto did do enough testing to know their product was contaminated with dioxin and they did notify the US Government. The Government chose to continue ordering, purchasing and spraying Agent Orange with the knowledge that it was unsafe.

That is why Monsanto, Dow and other chemical companies were sued and why those chemical companies added the US Government to the lawsuit as a third party.

All in all, what they did was worse than not testing. They DID test, they DID KNOW that dioxin was present and CHOSE to continue the manufacture and sale of the product with the knowledge of what that product was to be used for.

In my opinion, that makes those in charge of the corporation at the time EVIL people who would put the almighty dollar before safety of people.

and by the way, I am a staunch conservative Republican who believes that corporations have a duty to earn money and turn a profit. I draw the line at earning a profit by poisoning people (in whatever fashion, i.e. air/water/land/or in the manner these companies did).

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Be yourself - no one can tell you that you're doing it wrong!

AMEN!!!!

This seems to validate my impression of the Monsanto people that I talked with.......they are not about to let some potentials 'problems" get in the way of their profits.....as long as they don't think they can get sued. My 'bottom line" impression of those people .......'these people are evil.'

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

Firestone sold tires that blew out and killed people. General Motors built Corvairs that flipped over and killed people. Do you avoid these companies? Thousands of companies have recalled products that were potentually dangerous. Do you keep a list, so you can boycott them, too?
Thalidomide was made by CIBA-Geigy. Do you avoid their drugs, today? Are you sure?

Having read and lurked on this board for years I read a lot of posts from the Monsanto apologists. The question of whether these people have stock in the company is very valid and I am sure we would never get a true answer. I have often thought that these people are paid by the post by Monsanto.
I am thankful that we do not have to depend on these people for any of our farming supplies and or food.

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Think ya used enough dynomite there Butch?

Firestone and GM both admitted and rectified these issues. Your company Monsanto has done and will do neither.

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Think ya used enough dynomite there Butch?

Monsanto stock right now is $93.08 and bid size is 100 shares. If someone has $9,308 plus commission to play with, you won't find them on this board!

Also, if there were nothing to debate, it would be like riding a merry-go-round. Might have a fun ride but the scenery never changes. And when it stops, you are no further ahead than when you started.

Martin

Unless of course they are "company men" who got stock options in their employment packages.

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Think ya used enough dynomite there Butch?

This post goes beyond paranoia and goes straight to offensive. If you have proof of any such claims show it, otherwise knock it off. If you really have read a lot of posts on HT you would already know the occupations of most of the posters.

Would it be any more valid than accusing you of being associated with ELF, or greenpeace?

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