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Old 01/30/13, 11:53 PM
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There is one which is being developed with all of the curative properties without the high. Problem is that none of the pro-marijuana factions want it. Their concern is only for their own agenda rather than for those who would benefit from it.

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This has been a problem in every area where MMJ was made legal. Too many people wanting to get high.

When I lived in Colorado, and was growing for my FIL, I managed to breed a strain with very little psychoactive component. (I crossed Hindu Kush with Medicine Man, and then crossed Peacemaker with White Widow. Crossed those two together, and then outcrossed again with landrace Punta Rojo.) My FIL said that when taken, he noticed that it was effecting him because his ears tingled and the pain went away. He could, however, still *think*.

Not so surprisingly, none of the other growers or the dispensaries were interested in this strain.
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Old 01/31/13, 05:51 AM
 
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Hemp is not MJ. They are in the same plant family but it lacks the necessary THC to get you high. Hemp is a useful industrial plant. Don't bet your farm that it won't catch on .

Just FYI: There is no addiction to MJ. There are no deaths attributed to MJ. To drive the point home: You can die from drinking too much water. You cannot die from smoking to much MJ.
Hemp is illegal because of it's close relation to MJ. The only reason they want hemp legalized is so that MJ might also be legal. Read post 80 for more proof.

Hundreds die each year from MJ. Drug dealers shooting each other, drive bys, growers, burglars and robbers after pot money, car accidents, etc. And do not even try and tell me there's no addiction, that utter BS. As the father of a drug addict who is addicted to pot and other stuff I know first hand it is addictive. It may not meet the text book defintion, but the result is exactly the same.
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Old 01/31/13, 06:22 AM
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Their concern is only for their own agenda rather than for those who would benefit from it.

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Yea that's just bs. You clearly are pushing your own agenda.



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Hemp is illegal because of it's close relation to MJ. The only reason they want hemp legalized is so that MJ might also be legal. Read post 80 for more proof.
Again, bs. Hemp is illegal b/c of industrial competition. MJ is already legal for medicinal use in many states and recreational use in a few. So yea bs. On top of that, nobody needs hemp to be legal b/c they want to smoke MJ. IF you want to light up....you already CAN.

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Hundreds die each year from MJ. Drug dealers shooting each other, drive bys, growers, burglars and robbers after pot money, car accidents, etc.
Your bias is showing. None of this is true. Thank prohibition for drug dealers, drive bys, growers et al.

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And do not even try and tell me there's no addiction, that utter BS. As the father of a drug addict who is addicted to pot and other stuff I know first hand it is addictive. It may not meet the text book defintion, but the result is exactly the same.
Your son is not addicted to pot. There is no physical addiction to pot. If he thinks he needs it, that is on him, not the plant. If he had OCD and had to touch the doorknob 5 times before leaving, is the doorknob addictive?
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Who cares if pot is addictive. That is such a loaded word anyways. Alcohol is way more "addictive" and its legal, regulated, and taxed. Even caffeine is addictive and I can drink a whole jug of coffee a day and no one cares. You can get high hyperventilating into a paper bag and last time I checked that was legal.

It has been legal on a state level in WV to grow hemp with a permit since 2003. Problem is that they wont give you a permit unless you are also federally licensed. And that isn't likely to change anytime soon because, like stated many times in this thread, a certain industry has a good lobby.
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Old 01/31/13, 10:34 AM
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If one had a field of hemp, there'd almost have to be an armed patrol 24/7 around it. Not to prevent theft but to prevent others from coming in and switching plants. When it came up in our corn fields, we never knew that it was there until it towered above the corn in August. We made no effort to destroy it since the cows ate it in their silage. However, any which came up in the pasture wasn't touched.

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Old 01/31/13, 11:40 AM
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Hundreds die each year from MJ. Drug dealers shooting each other, drive bys, growers, burglars and robbers after pot money, car accidents, etc. And do not even try and tell me there's no addiction, that utter BS. As the father of a drug addict who is addicted to pot and other stuff I know first hand it is addictive. It may not meet the text book defintion, but the result is exactly the same.
I'm sorry about your son, but I have way more familiarity with this then I'd like, including the dealers (I grew up in the not-great parts of Queens, NY) and you are thinking of other drugs.
It's your "other stuff" that causes all those problems. Pot is too cheap, highly available and easy to grow ones self. And it doesn't kill anyone. Alcohol does, and tobacco does, both highly addictive, legal and with severe health risks, but not pot. I'm not particularly for it (although I think it's silly that booze is legal and pot is not, booze hurts people, pot doesn't) but facts remain facts.

You can be addicted to anything. The internet is a good example. How many of us talk ourselves out of spending waaay too much time here, or really, really need to check FB every time we're near a computer?

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This has been a problem in every area where MMJ was made legal. Too many people wanting to get high.

When I lived in Colorado, and was growing for my FIL, I managed to breed a strain with very little psychoactive component. (I crossed Hindu Kush with Medicine Man, and then crossed Peacemaker with White Widow. Crossed those two together, and then outcrossed again with landrace Punta Rojo.) My FIL said that when taken, he noticed that it was effecting him because his ears tingled and the pain went away. He could, however, still *think*.

Not so surprisingly, none of the other growers or the dispensaries were interested in this strain.
I wonder if that would still be true in Colorado now? I bet that there'd be a market for that variety now.
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You druggies are full of it. An addiction is an addiction, no matter what the substance- pot, coffee, tobacco, sex, chemicals, the internet, whatever. I've seen lives ruined by drugs and pot is a drug. It's just one more thing used by weak people to avoid reality. The reality life is tough and it doesn't get easier by going around stoned all the time.

Go make your excuses for your addiction to someone who hasn't seen the results and deaths from pot.I assure you, over 20 years in law enforcement, I've seen all the drugs and their aftermath up close and personal.
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FWIW, the Canadian experience with industrial hemp has been mixed, but acreage has grown lately because processing plants are now in operation. THC marijuana is still illegal in Canada, but farmers can grow hemp legally. Not sure how law enforcement can tell the difference, but there it is.
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I won't go into the debate on addiction, but I will say my DS "checked out at 13, but was back at 20!" What does that mean? He began smoking pot at 13, just after he stopped having seizures from Childhood Epilepsy. It kept him from accomplishing a lot he was capable of, dropped out of high school, and was a stumbling blocks when he applied for jobs (testing...), and just before he quit? He told me, it felt as though MJ had taken over his life! Since then? He ended up getting his Driver's License (glad he waited), got his GED, moved to CO, worked as a Political Canvasser (OMGosh that took guts and he enjoyed it...), then moved to CT, then to MA, and is now working at a Hotel, and his goal is to become a Hotel Manager. DS also plays electric guitar and has come a long way since he was 20, now 23...

Oh, forgot to mention, my DS quit smoking MJ cold turkey, as in simply stopped! I know others who have done the same thing.
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Old 02/04/13, 11:58 AM
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Very interesting topic! I have been looking at pictures & videos of a house made from hempcrete, very intriguing!

http://www.hemp.com/2011/03/hemp_hou...ing_hempcrete/

Link about growing it:
http://www.hemp.com/hemp-university/growing-hemp/

Hey, anything we can do to be kinder to the earth, I'm all for it! I'd take plant-based plastics over oil based plastics that sit in landfills for hundreds of years any day. The reason it is still only illegal in the US is simple: FOLLOW THE $$$!!!
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Old 02/04/13, 12:07 PM
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It is a very useful plant.Given current U.S. laws I would not plant it.
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Old 02/04/13, 12:29 PM
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Hey, anything we can do to be kinder to the earth, I'm all for it! I'd take plant-based plastics over oil based plastics that sit in landfills for hundreds of years any day. The reason it is still only illegal in the US is simple: FOLLOW THE $$$!!!
With all arable cropland pretty much accounted for in this country, what present crop would you wish to see eliminated or greatly reduced to accommodate this new one?

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