Would anyone plant industrial hemp?

~laughs~ You are giving me links to people who sell fertilizer, and not to any scientific study or article? Really?

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Caliann

"First, Show me in the Bible where it says you can save someone's soul by annoying the hell out of them." -- Chuck

Apparent Internet lesson needed here? Bing is equal to Google when searching for all information on the Internet. I opened the doors to both conventional and hydroponic growing of cannabis while thinking that you would be able to navigate to whatever you were contesting. But something told me that I should lead you by the hand to a specific one and I chose the first of a multitude of sites to corroborate my claim.

I worked about 11 years in manufacturing fertilizer. One thing that is certain is that the manufacturers are quite knowledgeable on what each crop demands. That meant different formulas for grain, corn, beans, potatoes, alfalfa, gardens, and even tobacco. One can expect those who supply cannabis fertilizers to also know what the crop requires.

Martin

Martin, fertilizer companies are not a "source".

THIS is a "source": http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=PP01066

Now, if you find something like that which concludes that fertilizer needs of cannabis sativa or cannabis robustus have higher NPK requirements than, say corn, then we can talk.

But fertilizer companies, selling fertilizers, are not a "source". Scientific studies and articles on a subject are a "source". Heck, when I was growing the stuff, I halved recommended dosages of fertilizer, due to the fact that if I didn't, I'd get root burn. Cannabis doesn't like having toasted tootsies.

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Caliann

"First, Show me in the Bible where it says you can save someone's soul by annoying the hell out of them." -- Chuck

It is legal. Back when I raised show pigeons, I fed it myself. I imagine it is "de-natured" or must be proven to have a low content of THC, but you can buy it today.

http://www.nepigeonsupplies.com/feed_seed_grit.htm (look about 17 items down)

or

www.ontariohempalliance.org/reportspublic/Jul16Marcus.ppt

Would sure have been interesting last week when I bought fertilizer to ask for the recommendations for a canibus crop..... Might a gotten a look there.

The ag universities have approved recommendations, as well as the soil test labs, of what you need to maintain, or build if your soil is low, the fertility of your soil.

The latest plan is in action to soil testing every 2.5 acres, you do some tissue tests of your crops to see what the plant has excess of and shortages of, so you can adjust your applications.

Paul

Hemp fertilization, by Wikipedia so clearly an accredited source. (Yes a little humor...)

"Hemp needs less fertilizer than corn does. A total of 60–150 kg of nitrogen, 40–140 kg phosphorus (P2O5) and 75–200 kg of potassium [5] per acre for hemp fiber made before sowing and again later, maybe three to four weeks . When practiced, especially in France double use of fiber and seed fertilization with nitrogen doses up to 100 kg / ha rather low."

That is confusing to me, but it appears 132 to 330 lbs of N, 88 to 308 lbs of P, and 165 to 440 lbs of K is commonly applied to hemp, possibly in France. Perhaps those amounts are doubled, even?

This site compares fert studies from several countries, the past couple decades show similar levels: (table 3, mid page)

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/cat...81/#Fertilizer


You can look up 'corn fertilizer removal rate' and will find a standardized ration by most universities;
Corn uses .9 N, .37 P, .27 K lbs per bu of corn.

Or, for my 175 bu corn, I need to add 160 N, 65 P, and 50 K.

It looks like UK's 120 N, 100 P, and 160 K is a fair average for hemp.

If you do the math it would appear that hemp requires very similar fertility as corn does. In some cases more, in some less, but does not appear it needs substantially less, as many claim.

This does not mean hemp is a bad crop, just that one of the claims made for its use seems bogus to me?

(To see more of hemp's fertility use, google 'fertilizer removal rates hemp'.)

Paul

You are mistaken. MJ comes in many different strains, like say beans, some are short & bushy others are tall like small trees. To a degree all can be used like hemp, it's just not cost effective to use the short varieties for cordage.
I don't think a strong hemp industry will happen until MJ is fully legalized. Then it'll likely start as side industries to use by products of MJ production. JMO

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Agree completely. Probably the main reason hemp is illegal is that it would cause confusion among law enforcement when they're going after it's stickier relatives. Until there's no reason for that confusion, hemp is always going to be in the back seat.

Oh, and speaking broadly, cannabis indica = short and squat, cannabis sativa = tall and lanky. What makes either one hemp (although it has traditionally been sativa) is the THC content, [plant's] sex makes no difference.

I have to beg to differ, Buzz. Female plants grow more trichomes, it is actually a defense mechanism to protect the flowers and seeds from being eaten before they have matured. (THC tastes nasty to wildlife and livestock). While even the industrial varieties make SOME THC, and male plants of the recreational/medicinal strains also make some trichomes, trichome production (it is the trichomes that produce the THC oils) is most concentrated in the female plants. Even in female plants, trichome density is around the flowers and the tiny leaves growing around those flowers. The large, lower leaves of the plants have few, if any trichomes and therefore little, if any THC. Wildlife and livestock love those lower leaves and stems.

~grinz~ And you forgot cannabis robustus, which could probably be described as "Is that a tree?"

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Caliann

"First, Show me in the Bible where it says you can save someone's soul by annoying the hell out of them." -- Chuck

Ah, I see what you're saying, Caliann, but my inarticulate point was that a low THC female is just as much "hemp" as a male plant. I'm pretty sure the farmers aren't out there in their hemp fields culling females before their harvest.

The things you learn living in this part of the world...

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/28/170300...do-pot-measure

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I was just going to post the NPR story from yesterday that Edkansas links to above.

A quote:

"For now, the United States is the only industrialized country that bans hemp.
Yet it's also the world's largest consumer of hemp products. According to an industry association, total sales of products containing hemp are estimated to be around $450 million."

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/28/170300...do-pot-measure

It will never sell. The whole hemp thing is all about getting stoned. Anything some people can do to further their addiction, and don't try to tell me it's not an addiction, they will do. It makes me sick to see the damage this does to people. But then I have a drug addict son, so it's close to home for me.

Hemp is not MJ. They are in the same plant family but it lacks the necessary THC to get you high. Hemp is a useful industrial plant. Don't bet your farm that it won't catch on .

Just FYI: There is no addiction to MJ. There are no deaths attributed to MJ. To drive the point home: You can die from drinking too much water. You cannot die from smoking to much MJ.

Something may indeed have 25,000 uses, but if it's not economical, it's really a moot point. Cost is King, except for people, like others have already mentioned, that have an agenda... Niche markets are nice, as long as your niche customers are large, or very rich.

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People who have cancer or glaucoma do not CARE about the high.

And, there can be a psychological addiction to pot.

200 years ago that's all my relatives grew here in Missouri.

Or M.S. My father-in-law has M.S.; I promise you that all he cares about is the pain going away.

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Caliann

"First, Show me in the Bible where it says you can save someone's soul by annoying the hell out of them." -- Chuck

When my wife was very sick, they gave her a prescription for "marinol" a synthetic marijuana, supposedly to help her appetite. One marinol pill was the equivalent to a half a joint. Modern marijuana, a couple hits will get you high, half a joint would be like acid or something. She was just totally wasted. The doctor told us if we could do it, we'd be better off buying straight dope and using it rationally.

I'm always amazed at the whole "psychological addiction" aspect to anything. To my way of thinking, an addiction would be physical. As Aldous Huxley and others have noted, once the doorway to perceptions have been opened, there is no further need for the key.
Of course, everybody don't see things the way I do, especially on HT. Alcoholism, along with the attendant vomiting, hangovers, etc, has no appeal. Or shouldn't. Yet people are alcoholics. Surely it's physical? Marijuana, a nonaddictive drug, can fry your mind. How can anybody become addicted to something so potentially dangerous? That eludes me. Higher psychotropics, more potential for "never coming back". I can't believe in psychological addiction for psychotropic drugs. You either like it or you don't.

There is one which is being developed with all of the curative properties without the high. Problem is that none of the pro-marijuana factions want it. Their concern is only for their own agenda rather than for those who would benefit from it.

Martin