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11/06/12, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mahto
I am not a biologist, a nutritionist or a soothsayer! That being said, I am a 57 year old male, 6'0", 279#, type II diabetic, with all the attendant issues (high blood pressure, chlestoral, etc.)
I researched the paleo diet for about a month, after reading this thread and others like it. On November 1, my DW and I both began a "Whole 30" per Mark Sisson's Primal Fitness. In just 5 days, we have seen the following results: (Me): Morning BP before medication down from 190/105(!) to average of 145/85; better rested, more energy, little to no cravings, and I also quit a 4-5 liter/day diet soda habit @ the same time. I have already cut my daily insulin dosage by 20%! (DW): reports significant reduction in fibromyalgia symptoms, significant reduction in acid reflux, and increase in clarity and general well-being...
These ARE NOT scientific, empirical results by any means...but they do seem to show a striking trend in the direction we need to go. primalfitness.com has a free downloadable cookbook, as well as many other resources regarding Paleo/Primal. I recommend you check it out.
Nerdfitness.com is another great resource for Paleo related subjects. I also particulaly like Robb Wolfe's book, The Paleo Solution. I know its not for everyone, but I already feel like the Paleo blueprint is going to help in ways that I could never before help myself!
Of course, YMMV...Good luck!
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That is great!
I'm afraid even if I don't do this whole deal (still thinkin bout it).. I AT LEAST need to get my heroine.. I mean diet soda kicked as you did.
I see your positive results, but could you say a little about the withdrawals from the diet soda? Probably only lasts a few days, but I'm sure it was no fun!
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11/06/12, 01:14 PM
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Mahfouz,
Just the soda alone would have been a big step at improving your health.
Bob
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11/06/12, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by YuccaFlatsRanch
If you think GeoCorn is bad, Geowheat is worse. Something interesting in the book - the digestion of Amylopectin A (only found in wheat) causes release of EXORPHINS which bind in the brain to the same exact sites as Morphine.
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Ah....and I always thought I just loved pasta that much.
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11/07/12, 10:12 AM
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Partndn and Union: The soda deal was a HUGE decision for me! I woke up to PepsiMax, drank it all day and evening, and went to sleep with it too! I am NOT a coffee drinker, but for the first four days I would drink half a cup of BLACK coffee to help offset the caffeine detox...
I've been very fortunate (knock on wood)...so far, no "carb flu" either.
Just as an aside, DW ate out w/ friends last night...said she had a piece of french bread with her salad..."regretted it almost immediately" w/ stomach cramping. From my unscientific vantage point, I would say her gut was telling her to "stick w/ the program!"
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11/10/12, 11:38 AM
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I saw one article quite a while back that looked at different diet plans and how well they worked. This was before paleo so it wasn't included. The results were fairly close to the same for all the diets. The only things I'm sure they measured however were weight loss and cholesterol levels. How well the people stuck with the diet determined success not the diet itself.
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11/12/12, 11:43 AM
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Admittedly have NOT read all of the posts in this thread, but several pages... Just some thoughts from our own personal experience.
We were thrown in to the wheat-free world when my then 9 month-old son was diagnosed with celiac disease and an even rarer gastrointestinal condition, eosinophilic esophagitis (EoE), the latter of which often yields kids living on a feeding tube because they can't digest the proteins in anything. At the time, the only "treatment" we did for him (other than proton pump inhibitors for moderate acid reflux) was avoidance of gluten, dairy, and soy- the three foods that triggered symptoms (eczema, vomiting, diarrhea). Fortunately, so very very fortunately, he did extremely well off of gluten, dairy, and soy. So well that he nearly skipped size 9 months in clothing and was later UN-diagnosed with both celiac disease and the EoE! Though he is clearly still sensitive to gluten and the others (symptoms come back immediately), so he remains off all three of the offending foods.
Point being, I guess, is that both my husband and I have had to avoid such foods, as well, and our health- and waistlines- has benefitted significantly. Possibly mostly from eating mostly unprocessed foods (soy is in even more than gluten is!) and no longer eating out. We have started to notice that we feel ill after eating out. I suspect high sodium content...
When we list the three things we have to avoid, a common response is an astonished, "Well, what do you eat???" As a previous poster said, we tell them "fresh fruits, vegetables, meat, and nuts." Not a bad diet, really!
We've also found that a lot of non-American (as in U.S. American) foods are naturally free from a lot of that stuff, as well- Indian food, Mediterranean food, etc.
I've gone from cooking-averse to really a quite proficient cook, making up my own recipes even! Which is quite a change from someone who previously freaked if she didn't have one of the ingredients listed in a recipe, obsessively measured every spice to the perfect amount, etc....
Also, I have read some studies that do suggest that heirloom wheat does seem to not affect even celiacs as much. Interesting line of research. I look forward to hearing more about it in the future.
Honestly, I'm not so sure it's the wheat or grains, per se, that are such the problem as are the highly processed foods we eat. From seed to final product, the whole process is unnatural.
Just some thoughts from our own experience. It has been an interesting one, if nothing else.
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11/12/12, 01:28 PM
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neurochicken,
American do like their to over process most products, most Americans will only eat white bread. Most of the heir loom wheats have very low gluten levels and Americans like their white bread so wheat breeders have bred varieties for what the public demanded. Heirloom wheats can still be made into good bread but its easier with modern varieties. My wife bakes all of our bread and we very seldom make anything other than bread with whole grains.
Bob
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11/12/12, 01:45 PM
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You people are glutens for punishment!...
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11/12/12, 08:48 PM
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What is "carb flu"? I wonder if that is what has been plaguing my digestion for that last 2 weeks.
I did not go totally gluten free yet- I eat oatmeal that is not labelled "gluten free" so it has some cross contamination (but I don't want to waste it). I also have "cheated" on pizza night (and regretted it). Otherwise, I have not had and breads, cereals or other baked goods in 2 weeks.
I have lost 7 pounds now and do not feel like I need to go back to bed 2 hours after getting up. I suffer from bi polar (depressive) disorder, panic attacks, PMS, OCD and ADD all of which can very easily be affected by overdoing carbs and simple sugars. I started with eliminating carbs. My main goal is getting rid of the awful brain fog and losing 60 pounds.
Next up is reducing my sugar load.
I have not tried to make any gluten free breads or muffins yet since I am afraid I will just substitute them for my wheat products I was eating which won't help my waistline or sugar levels - it's still a carb. I miss sandwiches though so will have to eventually figure out something for them.
Where do you find hierloom wheat products?
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11/13/12, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by unioncreek
neurochicken,
American do like their to over process most products, most Americans will only eat white bread. Most of the heir loom wheats have very low gluten levels and Americans like their white bread so wheat breeders have bred varieties for what the public demanded. Heirloom wheats can still be made into good bread but its easier with modern varieties. My wife bakes all of our bread and we very seldom make anything other than bread with whole grains.
Bob
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Interesting. Since my son is apparently only "sensitive" (no celiac disease), I wonder if he would do okay with an heirloom wheat. He most definitely does not do well with whole wheat (vs. the white stuff)...
I think our (American's) obsession with "fast" is at least part of our downfall healthwise... I work in the healthcare industry and people use "time" as an excuse for their lamentable health behaviors. I get it, I really do. We had a heck of a time figuring out how to "make time" to cook for our son. But we had no choice. Now, we wouldn't go back even if we could!
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11/19/12, 10:32 AM
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just an update...
Been completely Paleo since Nov. 1st. Still seeing significant improvement in BP and sugars. now cut insulin to one-third of original dosage. Feel great, and weighing yesterday, see that I have lost SEVENTEEN POUNDS in just EIGHTEEN DAYS!! YMMV, but I couldn't be happier!
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11/19/12, 12:54 PM
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Congratulations! I have a Paleo thread in the weight loss forum. Please share your results there, too, as it is very encouraging to others... You earned those results, good for you!
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02/22/13, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tnokie
But the main thing I wonder about is the cost of going wheat free! I think that cost /money is the main thing that keeps people eating the wrong things. You can make a lot of foods out of a sack of flour. But can you replace all those foods for someting good for you at the same cost? I am all for eating fruits and veggies but I just can't afford them as a main diet. Does anyone have lowcost/affordable exchanges for wheat and glutten?
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"You can make a lot of foods out of a sack of flour. But can you replace all those foods for someting good for you at the same cost?"
So if poison is cheaper than good food, you will keep eating poison?
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02/22/13, 06:08 PM
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People are cheap, especially when it comes to food. I still don't totally believe the wheat belly thing. Yes some people are allergic to wheat, but I've seen no scientific evidence to support wheat belly theory.
Bob
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02/22/13, 06:35 PM
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More dharma, less drama.
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Doesn't matter if one believes in the book.
Hubby and I both have before and after blood work that proves it works for us.
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02/22/13, 06:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unioncreek
People are cheap, especially when it comes to food. I still don't totally believe the wheat belly thing. Yes some people are allergic to wheat, but I've seen no scientific evidence to support wheat belly theory.
Bob
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Have you looked?
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02/22/13, 07:34 PM
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More dharma, less drama.
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My husband said to also tell you that ALL his arthritis symptoms are gone. He is 68 and had sciatica and arthritis in his hands. ALL those pains are gone.
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02/22/13, 07:46 PM
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The best part is something no scientific study can quantify. I feel good!
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02/23/13, 09:16 AM
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