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10/04/12, 01:45 PM
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We're jsut a bunch of rebels here! 
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10/04/12, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Prismseed
Tomato plants have the same heat signature as marijuana plants. One of the methods of finding pot fields is a fly over heat screening.
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LOL...surely you jest !!!!! you ARE kidding...right????
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10/04/12, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by simi-steading
I think that attorney was pulling your leg. I work for a patent firm (not an attorney) but I do know about the models. There'a a couple here in this office and they are pretty cool..
Anyway, the reason was, one, it was required by the patent office in their early years, and also because a lot of inventors didn't have the skills to describe their invention in writing or able to draw it out. They could however build a working model of it to show what it was, and how it worked.
True, you can copy a patented item for your personal use, but most times, it's just easier to buy the real thing.
I've always wanted to find a model for myself, but when you do, WOW are they expensive. Too many patent attorneys with a lot more money than me want them worse..
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Simi-Steading Second paragraph You just said we could do it.
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10/04/12, 03:38 PM
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LOL... I was saying yes a person could copy a mechanical item for their use, but I wasn't talking about tomato plants... and I'm not an attorney, soooooo.. don't trust me 
I have no idea about the tomato plants, but if I was to guess, you probably aren't even supposed to propagate cuttings for your own use. If you did, the patent holder and seller wouldn't make any money but one time off you and that's part of the reason for the patent. To make as many sales as possible, and as much money as they can from their product.
I know with seed for farmers, a lot of times they have to sign a contract saying you are buying the seed for a one time planting, and will not save anything they harvest to plant the next year... As someone said, Monsanto is great for playing that game. It protects their patent, and makes them a ton of money.
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10/04/12, 03:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Prismseed
Tomato plants have the same heat signature as marijuana plants. One of the methods of finding pot fields is a fly over heat screening.
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ROFL. Really? On another forum there is a discussion about container gardening indoors and using grow lights to keep tomatoes going for a few more months in the basement.
A vivid image of a tomato grow op raid just popped into my mind -- along with the story on the front page of the newspaper because that would be comic gold in my little town. 
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10/04/12, 08:24 PM
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Tag? What tag? None of my store bought plants has ever come home with a tag that stated that... 
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10/04/12, 08:26 PM
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I don't think most us guys would ever read the tag anyway.. we know what it is.. we know how to use it... 
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10/04/12, 08:27 PM
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Result of google search for non propagation plant labels
http://www.provenwinners.com/sites/p...13-usfinal.pdf
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10/04/12, 09:03 PM
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Obviously you weren't in you right mind......
Probably clay...pot....
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10/04/12, 09:32 PM
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Tomatoes, now that is the first I have heard of that! I have seen those labels on ornamentals, bushes, some herbs, but wow, tomatoes...?!
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10/04/12, 10:14 PM
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Someone made the effort to breed and produce, a cherry tomato plant, that is a "huge producer", possibly having a patent for the variety, hoping to make some money back, selling the plants.
Instead, we''ll just make cuts and propagate the pants ourselves - for free. Their patent may be infringed and they won't make another dime from us, but oh, well.
How many of us would be angry, if the shoe, was on the other foot and it was our efforts, someone else was stealing?
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10/05/12, 08:24 AM
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Maybe this website can shed some light on this discussion: Transgenic Crops: An Introduction and Resource Guide
I think the term "farmer's rights" could be applied here, but these days, it is beginning to take a lawyer to really know for certain. If I had a greenhouse and was able to keep the cherry tomato going, then I would have a decision to make--or maybe even saving seeds would also be an act of (petty) "theft" provided the tomato is non-hybrid.
Interestingly enough, Ex parte Hibbard referred to in the article has nothing to do with RR crops, or BT GMO's--but certainly laid the foundations for such in later years. Ex parte Hibberd - Life Sciences Foundation
There is currently a debate and litigation going on in Europe regarding GM tomatoes. But the participant is not Monsanto, but Unilever.....
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10/05/12, 08:35 PM
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There have been farmers who have been sued by seed companies because they grew and then sold genetically modified seed.
If you are growing your tomato plants and using them for your own consumption, you are not going to get into trouble. It isn't worth it to them. If you are propagating the plants and selling them by the thousands at farmer's markets and roadside stands then they might decide that it is financially worth for them to sue.
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