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How inconvenient. The poor polar bears drowning is another example. Anything to appeal to something other than critical thought. Here's an example of Antartic ice shelf collapse fear mongering.

Manmade Climate Change Part Of Reason For Ice Shelf Collapse - Science News - redOrbit

Of course if the facts don't fit the AGW theory, they have to be spun. Turns out there hasn't been any change at the South Pole for the last fifty years. The excuse for that is it isn't connected to the rest of the world's climate but the North Pole is.

"In Science, Monaghan and colleagues write, "[t]here has been no significant change in snowfall since the 1950s." "

Antarctica Snowfall Not Curbing Sea Level Rise, Study Says

Well, Roberte has gone off line.

I have full faith and confidence in him saving us. As promised, for his tending to my fears, I will do something EXTRA.

Lots to get done on this 3 day weekend .... but a promise is a promise.

So while he is dealing with the CO2 throttle valve ( and perhaps even instigating or preventing solar flares) .... I'm going to put off some of what I should get done, pop a beer and float in the pool. May even fire up the grill later on.

Dang it boy, so much to do .... but I do feel obligated so ....

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Climate =/= weather

Just trying to help ya get the word out Brother!

Have ya gotten the latest to fix these?

"nothing has been brought to the table that substantively contradicts the basic findings"

"very high confidence"

"very likely"

"It is likely"

"would likely have"

"Difficulties remain"

"the minor errors, the weak parts of the writing in AR4 will be addressed."

When do ya expect the latest report to come out and fix this definitively vs someones apparent best guess?

Ye ask for definitive data that is to counter an apparent hypothesis?

It may be considered in "very high confidence" that there is no way to dispute Bigfoot. I can believe in it .... but hard to argue.

Hope it helped .... I think that it has been determined that exposure to an item requires a minimum of 7 times before it has an effect.

I'm off to enjoy life for both of us and do something constructive.

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And look how much the epa has ruined this country by making so many rules that many companies are just packing it up and closing. Nice going government creating even more unemployment in this country when we desperately need jobs.
All because of the "fear" that the epa has wrought on this country that man is causing the GW. LOL Why even Al Gore should have his award taken away he is such a hypocrite.

It is interesting - yet disheartening - to see the fiction filled folly that is being proffered as science here.

Let us know when you've got something factual that supports any alternative hypothesis.

Amen! You are starting to "GET IT"!

BTW, the sun came up this morning .... was a beautiful thing to witness

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You could always stop posting it if it really bothers you

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There's also much evidence that forests and grasslands burned off before there were humans, right? Bringing that point up as a major one is as silly as it would be to say that human arsonists, careless campers, trash burning, and even backyard BBQs can safely be ignored as a danger when drought conditions exist.

Ah, and there you have a perfect example of the power of publicity and advertising campaigns, if backed sufficiently to blather their lines endlessly with no provision for rational and balanced commentary, to sway opinions yet not be anywhere nearly as factually based as assumed. Such ad campaigns, IF ever backed into justifying their language, parse it thusly: "Look, we didn't say we surveyed ALL dentists, what we did was have a bunch interviewed in advance then select ten that we put in a room and asked that question of. Eight of those ten agreed with what we quoted in the ad. That's all. We never said 80% of ALL dentists would recommend Crest brand to exclusion of all others. We can't help it if our viewers are stupid sheep, can we?" This isn't the case for "98% of climate scientists," that means ALL climate scientists.

The MONEY that is driving nonsense propaganda isn't coming from "the left" and climate scientists aren't getting rich sucking up grant money. Grad student stipends are pathetic and I don't see $100K speakers' fees being paid to anyone telling the public there are real dangers from global warming. (If anyone IS getting such fees it would be the very few jackasses like the late Dr. Crichton giving Karl Rove- or Rush Limbaugh-like lying diatribes to the Heritage Foundation.)

For those looking for real links to some of the science involved, I suggest Weather Underground (now a part of the Weather Channel on cable):
Climate Change | Weather Underground
Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: a book review | Weather Underground
And of course "How to Talk to a Climate Sceptic:"
How to Talk to a Climate Sceptic – A Few Things Ill Considered

Edit ad: Come to think, Al Gore probably commands big bucks fees and I know Ralph Nader had priced himself beyond my college group's range forty years ago, too. OK, other than a very few?

What a coincidence!. The Sun came up here too! It's amazing how many folks are still Earth centric. You'd think if the Church gave it up, the rest would.

Even the ignorant sun worshippers could see the forest for the trees.

The only reason this so called GW is happening is a lot of these folks had had "grants", and those grants are running out now, so theyMUST find some "other" way to get money sucked out of the government. And making up a lot of it is one way to get their "agenda" listened to to. And these are the ones that have been so taken in the the liberal arts colleges they have nothing else but "fixing" data so meet their evil ways. Yes even I see the sun is warming up the day now that it is mid afternoon, that IS what the sun does after all.

Here's one of the bigger holes in the AGW models. Scientists don't understand the effects of aerosols in cloud formation. Clouds can prevent the Sun from heating the Earth.

"One of the most detailed studies to date of the particles, known as aerosols, has found serious shortcomings in existing descriptions of how they arise in nature. The work suggests that one or more unidentified organic gases – produced either naturally or from human activities – has a significant influence on the Earth's cloud cover."

"http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/24/cloud-formation-study-climate-models"

The missing factor is the Sun's part in producing clouds. That is being studied at CERN. Note the weaseling in the full article. They obviously found something extremely inconvenient to the AGW alarmists.

"Secondly, we have found that natural rates of atmospheric ionisation caused by cosmic rays can substantially enhance nucleation under the conditions we studied – by up to a factor of 10. Ion‐enhancement is particularly pronounced in the cool temperatures of the mid‐troposphere and above, where CLOUD has found that sulphuric acid and water vapour can nucleate without the need for additional vapours. This result leaves open the possibility that cosmic rays could also influence climate."

CERN Press Release

Turns out that Henrik Svensmark's theory of cosmoclimatology is being vindicated.

"Svensmark's research downplays the significance to which atmospheric CO2 has affected recent global warming."

Henrik Svensmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems those folks that worshipped the Sun had more of a clue than the grant seeking scientists sucking up to the IPCC.

Well yes, by your own definition, the hottest day on record is not climate..."that characteristically prevail." The hottest day on record wouldn't be characteristic if it's beaten a record, now would it.


Global warming refers to the warming of the globe. That is, the entire temperature of the earth has gotten warmer. Not just specific areas.

Hence the terms "global" and "warming." Though don't confuse that with the notion that most people seem to have that the warming of the entire globe means somehow that everyone's climates are now warmer. The weather patterns of an entire planet are a bit more complex than that, though most people don't understand that, as evidenced by this thread.

We don't definitively know why. Most scientists are convinced it's man-made, but not all. For that matter, there's nothing to say that it is guaranteed to continue rising...
However, the fact that the entire earth has been in a warming cycle is not up for debate. You can't argue with the obvious issue that the globe's mean temperatures are swinging upward.

Well, unless you don't understand things like thermometers and averages, that is...

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The earth always warms up between ice ages. The Sun and possibly it's orbit has always been the determinate of our climate

Glad to see there is another "Ham" helpin to keep the hobby alive !!!

"Records" don't really mean a lot, since they've only been kept a relatively short time, and ways of measuring have changed.

The fact they "recorded" a temperature in a certain location ON A CERTAIN DATE is in no way proof the temperature was never reached before, or that previous measurements were accurate.

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Very true.

My point was simply that the very purpose of a record setting high is that it's uncharacteristic for the area/time.
Ie, by its very definition it is NOT considered part of "climate." (Which was Hairsheep's confusion)

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It depends

If the old record was 99, and the "new record" is 100, I'd say no big deal

If it were a 20 degree difference you might have something

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Something tells me Hairsheep was not trying to hang his entire argument on a 1º difference...

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the Back Gate Country Quilt Shop

Not "the". A factor.




And the forcing from our dumping anthropogenic CO2 is overpowering all the natural factors.