Neighbors trespassing

DGFALL · #**121** 07/15/12, 02:22 PM

Kasil, you are talking to two people, myself and Salmon who hold CCPs. We are generally armed. We do respect a firearm as a tool. We are also schooled in the proper use of that tool. We are also schooled in the improper use of a gun. It is the improper use that is the subject of this thread.

Alice In TX/MO · #**122** 07/15/12, 02:25 PM

No, he doesn't, and actually, he bikes on roads or at bike facilities.... there a word for that.... aero something? It was just the ridiculing of their riding clothes that bothered me. If you haven't biked 180 miles in two days, you may not realize there's a reason for those clothes.

pamda · #**123** 07/15/12, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DGFALL

Kasil, you are talking to two people, myself and Salmon who hold CCPs. We are generally armed. We do respect a firearm as a tool. We are also schooled in the proper use of that tool. We are also schooled in the improper use of a gun. It is the improper use that is the subject of this thread.

No, actually the subject of this thread was a problem with tresspassers....you all made it a gun thread....

**Cabin Fever** · #**124** 07/15/12, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pamda

No, actually the subject of this thread was a problem with tresspassers....you all made it a gun thread....

That's what I was thinking, too. No one needs a CCW to carry a firearm on his/her own property. Why is CCW beign debated?

Let's get back on topic.

kasilofhome · #**125** 07/15/12, 02:40 PM

Yeah I follow notice the quote duh. Guess what you are NOT the only person with training to handle a gun. Others are too.

So are you not a lawyer but a spokesperson for Salmon? Help me out here. We this and We that.

You and some others have expressed that others should not have a gun on them. It seems you are comfortable carrying a gun, Salmon is comfortable carrying a gun but other person are "legally" advised by you that it is not a proper action. Sorry I will have a way to put out a fire as needed and I will have a person (trained --got to mention that cause if it is not mention we have to be blooming itdiots to carry a gun if we are not YOU) when there is a NEED TO.

The OP STATED they had at least one gun. The OP NEVER STATED that they were OUT TO KILL, MAME OR BRANDISH a threat. CARRYING a gun in not a threat is being prepared for a situation.

pancho · #**126** 07/15/12, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DGFALL

Kasil, you are talking to two people, myself and Salmon who hold CCPs. We are generally armed. We do respect a firearm as a tool. We are also schooled in the proper use of that tool. We are also schooled in the improper use of a gun. It is the improper use that is the subject of this thread.

Would using a gun as a hammer be improper use?

whiterock · #**127** 07/15/12, 03:02 PM

My take on the OP is that in two cases, talking to the persons involved would be sufficient with the promise to call the sheriff if the behavior continues. That would be on the easement. The golfcart group could have been carrying any kind of weapon or weapons, were on private property, and showing no regards to landowner. That would warrant being armed when talking to them, as you wouldn't want to bring a knife to a gunfight so to speak.

I have confronted tresspassers a number of times, if they looked lost, just turned em around, if suspicious, I was armed. Never "brandished" but made it obvious that I wasn't barehanded.

Fences, gates, trees across the trail are a good thing IMO. The hole could constitute a trap which would be greater liability.

One thing to consider is that tresspassers are sometimes innocent, lost, unknowing. Other times, and becoming more frequent, they are looking for something to steal, are likely to be armed themselves, as as such would present a threat to property owner and family.

I think these are points that some are not considering in this debate. It is not just a matter of tresspassing, as in someone cutting across the lawn, but someone well within the property and with unknown intent.

Ed

DGFALL · #**128** 07/15/12, 03:05 PM

LOL, forget it. Just google " Can I shoot trespassers " and abide by what you learn.

RJMAcres · #**129** 07/15/12, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

Would using a gun as a hammer be improper use?

Only if you run out of ammo.

badlander · #**130** 07/15/12, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

No, he doesn't, and actually, he bikes on roads or at bike facilities.... there a word for that.... aero something? It was just the ridiculing of their riding clothes that bothered me. If you haven't biked 180 miles in two days, you may not realize there's a reason for those clothes.

You tell'em Alice! DH has ridden 24 hour endurance races where he has packed in over 300 miles.

My husband and I are cyclists and there is a reason for wearing those bright colored spandex shorts and shirts. One of the biggest being the need to make sure ditzy drivers can see us even if they are talking on their cell phones, fixing their makeup or trying to eat Big Macs.

If a person is a serious rider, they know the main reason we wear those silly padded pants. Try riding a hatchet bike (what recumbent riders call a regular road bike) 100 miles and you will wish to high heaven you were wearing a pair of those silly pants when you got off the bike if not before.

God Bless your son in his endeavor and keep him safe on the road.

Sorry for going off topic.

ninny · #**131** 07/15/12, 03:54 PM

My thoughts on carrying the gun are, "better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it." Just because you have it doesn't mean that you're gonna use it. I've heard too many stories about people that wished they had a gun when they got into a serious situation but didn't think to take one with them and regretted it.

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salmonslayer · #**132** 07/15/12, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

It shall not be a violation for any person over 18 to carry a concealed firearm within his home, place of business, or real property associated with his home or place of business, or within his motor vehicle

That is one part of the gun law in Ms.

Ah, got it. Missouri is the same. Thanks.

salmonslayer · #**133** 07/15/12, 04:14 PM

I know that when I worked for the Sheriff's dept here the deputies would go to a trespasser in a situation like the OPs and issue them a verbal warning first, a no-trespass order the second time, and possibly a citation depending on how they reacted. And like most have recommended clearly mark your property with no trespassing signs and gate the road if you can.

In some states you can also put an ad in the paper periodically that your property cannot be hunted or fished and that trespassing will be prosecuted. You might see if thats an option for you; at least it would give LEO more incentive to take action on the trespassers early on.

Mike in Ohio · #**134** 07/15/12, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DGFALL

Pancho, I don't know what country you live in, but if you live in the USA you will go to prison for shooting anyone unless you can prove that you reasonably believed that your life was in mortal danger. Under the castle doctrine if someone kicks in your front door and enters your house you may have a case for shooting them, but not necessarily.

I will guarantee you this. If you ever shoot someone your life will be forever changed.

You obviously don't get to Texas much - Texas justifiable homicides rise with 'Castle Doctrine' - Houston Chronicle

salmonslayer · #**135** 07/15/12, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cabin Fever

That's what I was thinking, too. No one needs a CCW to carry a firearm on his/her own property. Why is CCW beign debated?

Let's get back on topic.

I just saw this CF. Its not thread drift, just some of us (mainly me) not expressing well.

You have had the following comments and recommendations to the OP on how to deal with trespassers:

“if all else fails, sometimes 'target shooting' not far from where they are will get their attention.”
“Chase after them with guns every time.”
“And,
SSS works, as long as you can follow the instructions to the letter.”
“Where I live you can shoot thieves. You will not be charged.”
“You can shoot a person who is stealing from you and you will not be charged.
Your life does not have to be in danger.”

Some of us are bringing up issues with using or threatening deadly force for trespassing or petty theft and suggest its not a good idea (for many reasons) but at least taking a CCW course or something similar gives you the laws for your particular area. If thats thread drift I apologize, to me it was just a conversation and I assumed the OP was looking for different view points and recommendations.

Common Tator · #**136** 07/15/12, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by julieq

1) Run one strand of hot wire fence across their paths.

Make sure it is visible. I would hate to see the OP sued if a trespasser on a motorcycle were to not see it and decapitate themselves.

We have barbed wire around our place, including across the old road where the trespassers enter. I have tied bright colored plastic tape to the barbed wire to make it visible.

a'ightthen · #**137** 07/15/12, 08:21 PM

Not long ago something similar happened here.

I'm out in the yard processing corn. I see a slow moving vehicle come down the road and pull up into a goat trail that I had cleared a couple of years ago.

So I head out there to see what is going on ... but it just didn't smell right. I'm thinking now that they had been there before because ya just do not see that trail from where they came.

So, as far as I know, they have scoped out the site, just knocked off a store and came here to hide the vehicle and "take" one of ours. Mind ya, there ain't no neighbors to see.

So I decide that it would be best to make sure that I was ready and that all was in working order.

Turned out to be nothing as almost immediately after testing the Colt 1911 and Ruger Super Blackhawk, they backed out of the woods IN MY YARD and left the same way they came .... but I did note that they left faster than they came.

Eh, better safe than sorry I reckon

kasilofhome · #**138** 07/15/12, 09:24 PM

a lghtthen.

See that is something I have had done. Let them know you are prepped. When your place is more than a small lot 10,000sq feet (just an example used to give a bit of a perspective) but measured in acres a shot in the ground lets folk know you are home.
You don't have to put any ones life at risk in doing so --It is giving them a clue.

By law in my state I have already given warning by my signage ever few feet. Print sized reg, name of owner stated, phone number listed I have fence where I want, need and can afford. Silly me I do not want to turn my home sweet home into a prison. A few scattered after a few acres of trespassing signs are signs stating that land reserved for my private hunting --Bit of a clue that a gun might be a tool here.

Home owners and even renters want to feel safe where they live. Many people have family situations change children grow up, spouses die or leave where once a person may have had no fears due to not being alone to handle trespassers they might be a bit more leary of a strange car that should not be on their property. Even a knock at a door past a locked gate would warrant a safety tool near.

When seconds count LEO are in some cases a day away. I have visited such places --would not want to live there. Fed ex could not find my place for the first 2 years something I think about when I wonder how quick they could get here.

There seems to be a mis understanding about willing to prep when a gun is mentioned. It is ok to prep about a fire in your home, I know I prepped in school to crawl under a desk. Maybe some people think that it is a great move for border patrol to run away when there is a threat. In fact some might imply falsely that a person who preps the what if a person were to threaten their lives and then some day in the future did in fact face such a horror and was prepared and followed thur sucessfully living another day that the mere fact they they took the time to learn what to do makes the guilty of some evil act. How come when a child saves the life of another it make the news the news that sponge bob taught it on a cartoon and thus the child could save a life. When a child stop drops and roles to safety the schools teaching that get an atta boy. But education as to maybe one day deadly force might be needed and suddenly you are a threat to society.

wy_white_wolf · #**139** 07/15/12, 09:56 PM

Neighbors trespassing - Homesteading Questions

mamajohnson · #**140** 07/15/12, 10:08 PM

A few years back we were having issues with an adjoining land owner. After he shot my daughter's dog in the face, the dog was running up the drive way towards our gate, we called the sheriff. Our issue was he fired a gun in the direction of our property and where 3 of the 5 kids were playing outside.
I won't go into the long drawn out story...but in the end the sheriff told me that if 'neighbor' came on our property I should use my gun, as it is not a sure thing that he is not a threat.
This was after multiple conflicts with the man.
DGFALL - that's how it works in Texas.