A couple things on bees I wanted to share

Haypoint & Rambler,

Y'all don't by any chance work for Monsanto do you? Or maybe own stock? You seem awfully defensive.

LOL Makes as much sense as some keep poo poking Monsanto all the time, with no to little knowledge only what they have reads on such one sided points of views only. Monsanto is not the bad guy that many seem to think they are.

KFC does not serve honey. The package clearly states, that it is "honey sauce", which is not the same thing.

Honey from China (or anywhere else), has to contain pure honey, or labeled as something other than pure honey, listing all ingredients.

Nope to both.

Seems odd tho to start a thread on the possibility of some _insecticides_ causing bee problems (which is plausable) and then the very first link presented is on a _herbicide_ that will have no connection to the topic....

My theory a few years ago was that it had to do with the soybean aphids. Until they showed up, it was very rare to spray insecticides in most of the midwest, as bug problems are sorta rare on corn/soybeans. However, when the aphids showed up at the turn of the century, we seem to be spraying every acre of soybean ground with insecticide at least every other year, if not every year.

That was fairly close to the time period the problems showed up in the bees as well.

Notice that my theory on it actually blames a farm chemical, as well as a (now) common farm practice, so it's not like I'm trying to absolve farming.

Something is going on, hope we figure it out.

I've seen a dozen theories presented as 'fact' over the years, and none of them ever seem to end up being right - you did hear the one about cell phone towers right?

The newer powdered insecticides on the corn seed combined with more air-planters does offer something that does need to be looked into, certainly a possiblity. As I mentioned, seems a lot of bees are sucumbing in areas that do not grow corn, so..... That weakens the possibility......

(Then too, we've had powdered insecticides on corn for over a 1/2 century now, and IHC has had air planters since at least the 1970s so it's not like either practice is actually real new or timed to the bee problem....)

But to lead off with a link to the ever-popular whipping boy of Monsanto & Roundup, well that is just foolishness and makes the whole thing silly. Credibility lost imho.....

--->Paul

I'm talking about the counterfeit "stuff" ... I'm plenty sure that most folks got that too... read my first post to this thread.

I know full well if its called Honey it has to be 100% Honey.

but I don't see the Chinese willing to label a drum "counterfeit Honey" but if they did seems we would make sure it made it to market.

just google "counterfeit Honey" you will get About 55,800,000 results I'm sure at least a million are relevant.