Motorcyclest please wear leather and a proper helmet

Yvonne's hubby · #**101** 07/16/12, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by myheaven

Most riders may not get a chance to see a mangled body. If they did it may make them think a little deeper. But not always. My dh shows gory bloody pictures of kids trapped mangled in cars wrapped around a tree. Stuck under a semi, enter mingled with another vehicle. Makes them think for at least one second.

I packed my first coffin when I was about 14, (neighbor kid accidently shot himself) and have carried quite few others over the years. Everything from vehicle accidents, to gunshot victims, suicides, drownings and just plain old natural causes. The ones I felt the worst about were the natural cause victims.... poor rascals snuck through all those years safely but never really "lived" at all. A couple years ago we buried another longtime friend of mine.... riding his harley on a pretty summer day, center punched a chevy that pulled out in front of him... he was most likely half drunk (my friend, not the chevy driver, she was the sober just not paying attention soccer mom type ) and 3/4 stoned, with a shapely blonde wife (not his own) riding behind him. Yep... it was messy, but he had lived a full 54 years and went out doing what he loved and being who he was. It just doesnt get much better than that.

neurochicken · #**102** 07/17/12, 08:20 AM

per Beowulf.... "mainly because his body slid down the road at a different rate then his helmet, thus snapping his neck.."

Thing is, without the helmet, his skull would have likely fractured and he would have still died. It was not the helmet that killed him.

I would like to see some stats on states with versus states without helmet laws. Seems like an awful lot of people die on motorcycles here in Arkansas, where helmets are not required. I'd like the see the numbers, though.

I will add, though, that one can still have a brain injury even with a helmet. It's called diffuse axonal injury and can still be quite devastating, though you do make it out alive. Sometimes it's not much quality of life.

beowoulf90 · #**103** 07/17/12, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by neurochicken

per Beowulf.... "mainly because his body slid down the road at a different rate then his helmet, thus snapping his neck.."

Thing is, without the helmet, his skull would have likely fractured and he would have still died. It was not the helmet that killed him.

I would like to see some stats on states with versus states without helmet laws. Seems like an awful lot of people die on motorcycles here in Arkansas, where helmets are not required. I'd like the see the numbers, though.

I will add, though, that one can still have a brain injury even with a helmet. It's called diffuse axonal injury and can still be quite devastating, though you do make it out alive. Sometimes it's not much quality of life.

While it's true he may have been killed by the head impact without a helmet, we will never know. But because his accident was at relatively low speed, between 25 and 35 mph, the sliding on the road and a snapped neck is what killed him. I've never seen anything that said he landed on his head..

Also don't take my dislike of helmet laws as a dislike of helmets.. Helmets are safety equipment much like my ear protection I wear when shooting. But it is my choice what I wear, not the governments..I feel the same about seat belts etc...

Also let me note that the newer helmets are shaped slightly different to help avoid the neck issues.

BillHoo · #**104** 07/17/12, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieDavid

The recurring theme I see in this thread regarding long term medical care costs for treatment of head injuries makes me wonder what other PREVENTABLE risky behaviors should prohibit one from receiving long term medical care...Smoking? Drinking? Obesity? High School sports? Cheerleading".... I don't see the same fervor being applied there when we're talking about lifetime smoker Granny or Gramps who suffers a stroke or beautiful 16 year old cheerleader Sally who missed a basket toss.....Both preventable injuries..... I said earlier.....be careful throwing stones.

You're not too far off. I notice that all of my local elementary schools and playgrounds have gotten rid of the jungle gyms.

I almost lost my front teeth when I was around 6, climbing and fall off those. But I still enjoy the fun I had back then!

Laura Zone 10 · #**105** 07/17/12, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BillHoo

You're not too far off. I notice that all of my local elementary schools and playgrounds have gotten rid of the jungle gyms.

I almost lost my front teeth when I was around 6, climbing and fall off those. But I still enjoy the fun I had back then!

Here in my community......
No monkey bars.
No tall slides.
And they are not allowed any balls. (kick ball, volley ball, basketball) because the kids "naturally" create teams and compete.
And poor little jonny gets his feelings hurt and lashes out in anger at his inability to just have fun, and his mommy calls and has a cow cause little jonny got his widdle fewings hurt.....
So no more 'competitive games'.
No running.
No Merry Go Rounds.

Lots of sitting around outside.......

Gianni · #**106** 07/23/12, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Laura, the donorcycle thing isn't anything anyone laughs or jokes about by any means. It's said because it's factual, the same way 2+2=4 is factual. It's said with a sort of mild disgust and sadness that people willingly put themselves in that position thinking nothing bad could ever happen to them. Then we get to watch them die.

Sense of humor doesn't always mean laugh haha, especially with medical people. There is a great deal of observance of cold hard facts and irony involved.

Sadly it isn't factual. Far less than 1% of all riders ever end up at the ER or the morgue. You seem to think that because many of those that end up there don't make it that all riders end up there. It does not work that way.

Gianni · #**107** 07/23/12, 01:49 PM

I know that I never feel as free as when I am on two wheels. If I need to eat, drink, rest or go to the bathroom I can pull over. I need to have full concentration but the exilaration is unmatched on four wheels. I am another rider with "all the gear, all the time". [ATGATT]

Cliff · #**108** 07/23/12, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gianni

Sadly it isn't factual. Far less than 1% of all riders ever end up at the ER or the morgue. You seem to think that because many of those that end up there don't make it that all riders end up there. It does not work that way.

I don't think that at all - I'm not a moron. Don't put words in my mouth.

beowoulf90 · #**109** 07/23/12, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gianni

I know that I never feel as free as when I am on two wheels. If I need to eat, drink, rest or go to the bathroom I can pull over. I need to have full concentration but the exilaration is unmatched on four wheels. I am another rider with "all the gear, all the time". [ATGATT]

Well for me it is #2, but it is only second to parachuting..

myheaven · #**110** 07/23/12, 03:44 PM

Life will end no matter what we do. Sex it's self we know can carry the greatest risks. Choose the wrong partner and you may die a long sick painful death. They preach safe sex abstinence sex inside marriage with monogamy. I have been with my husband for 12 years. We are clean never an affair. Who would
Have known the choice We Made on may 8 to fully enjoy one another would
Then take my life on the 19 and 20 of July. Who would have known that the baby we conceived would die late in gestation and cause me to bleed to death? Will we stop having sex? I sure don't but my husband she is scared to death to enjoy sex again. I understand. But dang it it is exhilarating to be with him. It take stress out of my body.
Just cuz I have had a instance with bleeding should I go the rest I my life which would be about 50 years without sex? Or should the government regulate when he or I get "fixed" so we may not possible have this happen?