Motorcyclest please wear leather and a proper helmet

watcher · #41 07/09/12, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by myheaven

Wouldyou feel the same way if it was your family members?

I would. Yous pays your money and yous takes your chances.

If you are stupid enough to not prepare don't come to me looking to bail you out.

Cliff · #42 07/09/12, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

They aren't fools, they are future organ donors.

As a matter of fact medical people have a nickname for motorcycles... donorcycles.

Smallhomestead · #43 07/09/12, 08:03 PM

I work in a level one trauma hospital. My observation from all these years is what ever you drive if you try to be responsible you may live if you get into an accident you may not. If you got a few hundred years I could tell you a lot just wear a helmet in both 2 and 4 wheels you would be amazed at the accidents you can have

salmonslayer · #44 07/09/12, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

Funny how most of the cars of today are fiberglass or thin sheet metal, that even leave out the spare tire so they can meet EPA and fuel mileage requirements.. The heavier cars of yesterday are gone..

I have been riding since the late 60s when I got my first dirt bike and generally support the right to ride as you wish and without a helmet but man your not helping the cause. I also like old cars and trucks and am a first responder, if you think those heavier cars of yesteryear were safer your credibility is shot. Those cars you dismiss as being thin sheet metal and fiberglass are designed with crumple zones and they have airbags which coupled with seat belts have done more to save lives than anything else since the invention of the car. Contrary to popular myth they are more reliable and last a heck of a lot longer too.

I hear people all the time say they can brace themselves in the event of an accident or they dont want to wear a seat belt and be trapped and drown or burn alive.....yea....good thinking; I saw that on a nighttime police drama on network TV too along with cars jumping in the air and bursting into flames with no front end damage after hitting a parked car during a police chase.

Motorcycle riding is dangerous which is one of the reasons I love it and I used to ride all the time without a helmet but I know its just asking for it and I took the risk. Some of you are Volvo people and wear helmets when you ride a bicycle a block down the street while some of us like to do things a little more stimulating. Your happy in your safe world and we are happy in ours so LEAVE US ALONE.

Thank you, rant over.

beowoulf90 · #45 07/10/12, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

Horses aren't going 65mph surrounded by traffic. Nor are bicycles, for that matter... Though I suppose if either were, full-face helmets might be recommended.

And considering how many nanny-state comments are still coming into this thread, it's obvious people still aren't getting it. Seatbelt laws, helmet laws etc. aren't protecting people from themselves. They're protecting the rest of society from having the expense of caring for vegetables.
The state doesn't care if you live or die. They care if you cost the rest of us money!

True the horses & bicycles aren't 65 mph, but the cars around them are..
So you are telling me that a horse or bicycle are safer, just because they aren't going as fast... You better rethink that or keep them off the roads..

There are constantly accidents here in Lancaster County, PA where horses and cars are involved.. Normally doesn't turn out well for those in the buggy or on the horse.

No the State doesn't care if you live or die, nor do they care if we the tax payer has to fork over more money to care for "vegetables".. They just want control over people.. It makes them feel powerful!

Maybe we should ban all the cages, except those needed for business.. That way those of us who choose a more fuel efficient mode of transportation, such as motorcycles/scooters, horse, bicycle etc, would be safe from the cages..

Of course I know that will and should never happen.. The point is those that condemn those of us who ride on 2 wheels, should keep in mind; we can go after you just as easily and make your life just as miserable as you try to make ours...

Cliff · #46 07/10/12, 07:24 AM

Lol salmonslayer who are you ranting against? I don't think anyone said you shouldn't ride them? Personally, like I said before, you should be free to do whatever you want with your life. I don't think we should try to save everyone from themselves and keep everyone "safe."

The illusion of "safety" is being used to orchestrate the stripping of our rights and will be the downfall of this country imo.

Laura Zone 10 · #47 07/10/12, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by myheaven

My dh is on a scene (was passing by) motorcycle vs deer. They both had helmets. But the girls looks to be knocked off. The helmets saved them. The helicopter is there to get them. Where they were not wearing leather is mangled. He may loose a few toes. Possible a foot due to wearing loafer type shoes and they flew off from the impact. Her tennis shoe is missing and her foot is messed up. She has a massive gash to her head. Massive road rash to the face. I know it's hard when it's hot to wear leather. But it just may save you. Here in wisconsin it's optional to wear a helmet. But they are rather important. Please pray for this couple. They have a long road ahead of them.

1. ABATE course.
2. FULL Helmet.
3. Riding jacket
4. Riding gloves.
5. Blue jeans or riding pants
6. Heavy leather boots, or riding boots.

You would not go scuba diving and not take your tanks.
You would not go sky diving and not have an emergency pull cord.
Why ride motorcycles without the proper gear?

MOST motorcycle accidents are because folks in cars and trucks are SO distracted, they don't look for motorcycles, then say "I never saw him".
Well yeah, cause you didn't look......
Speed and lack of proper experience causes most of the other accidents.

You have to be 100% on the defense when you ride.
My dh HATES riding in spring and fall when the deer are running all over the place....makes him a nervous wreck!!

Laura Zone 10 · #48 07/10/12, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

As a matter of fact medical people have a nickname for motorcycles... donorcycles.

I know, and it's sick.

Cliff · #49 07/10/12, 07:32 AM

I think a couple of you are looking for a fight that just isn't here. For the most part this has been a discussion about helmets, personal experiences and preferences and nanny state laws. I don't think anyone wants to fight with you.

fordy · #50 07/10/12, 07:34 AM

............I just purchased my first Harley , had always had Hondas ! I have limited my riding to short trips until I can afford to outfit myself with a protective riding suit and full face helmet . I see so many riders everyday when I'm driving to work wearing short sleeved shirts and tennis shoes with No helmet and NO gloves to protect their hands . These riders don't or won't deal with the potential pain they will incurr IF they loose control of their bike and go sliding down the pavement with no protective clothing . , fordy

Cliff · #51 07/10/12, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

I know, and it's sick.

Medical people have a different sense of humor for sure. Death and misery are hidden away behind hospital walls for the most part. The average person really sucks at dealing with death. We are inundated with it. Medical people develop very real senses of humor and attitudes. Nothing cruel or sick about it, just real. The donorcycle nickname comes from real life experience of how often motorcycle riders are in deadly accidents where donor services are called in.

beowoulf90 · #52 07/10/12, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by texican

I'm pro freedom and believe safety is but an illusion...

I do know that riding in a blizzard on a bike is a bummer...[Do they have all wheel drive Harleys? Plowing through 4' drifts in 4wd is fun, imagine it'd be truly exhilirating on a Hog!) also in rain pours, in the wee hours of the morning, or when exhausted. I've half slept, dozed, daydreamed, read books, ate meals, and other things, while driving in my tin boxes. I think my survivability calculus would be in the negatives if I'd partook in these activities on a bike...

I don't know, maybe some of you bikers can educate me... Can you eat on a bike? sure you have to be able to drink on one... can you read a book? can you drive with your feet or your knees? Can you lay out sideways to stretch out? Can you close your eyes 'for a while' without eating gravel? Do road bikes handle deep snow, hard rain, or hail very well?

I think I should contact the History Channel with my newest idea... Extreme Biker's~

No Harley isn't smart enough to make an all wheel drive bike.. But that isn't the case with bikes like the Ural with sidecar.. They are capable of 2 wheel drive for winter conditions. They have the option to switch the sidecar wheel on or off.. Did you ever see the old WWII films where these motorcycles were running around in the dead of winter.. Well it still can be done, just better technology these days..

Oh and since the motorcycle won't go through a 4 foot drift, lets see your Chevy Volt go through it or your Ford Focus, etc.. There aren't many cars that will go through that.. But then there are some of us that do own the appropriate tools for the job..Yes I ride motorcycle, even if it is raining, but I also drive my Dodge Dakota, which is great in winter and 4 foot drifts..

It is also true we can't read, eat and other things on a motorcycle, but that is a good thing in my book, since we aren't distracted, like you cage drivers...

beowoulf90 · #53 07/10/12, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Medical people have a different sense of humor for sure. Death and misery are hidden away behind hospital walls for the most part. The average person really sucks at dealing with death. We are inundated with it. Medical people develop very real senses of humor and attitudes. Nothing cruel or sick about it, just real. The donorcycle nickname comes from real life experience of how often motorcycle riders are in deadly accidents where donor services are called in.

What's the hardest part of a vegetable to eat?

The wheel chair....

beowoulf90 · #54 07/10/12, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Lol salmonslayer who are you ranting against? I don't think anyone said you shouldn't ride them? Personally, like I said before, you should be free to do whatever you want with your life. I don't think we should try to save everyone from themselves and keep everyone "safe."

The illusion of "safety" is being used to orchestrate the stripping of our rights and will be the downfall of this country imo.

We agree there!

Cliff · #55 07/10/12, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by beowoulf90

What's the hardest part of a vegetable to eat?

The wheel chair....

Now see, that would not be an example of a medical person's sense of humor - at least not anyone I know. I don't know how to explain the difference exactly, but maybe because it sort of pokes fun at the victim?

TNnative · #56 07/10/12, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

MOST motorcycle accidents are because folks in cars and trucks are SO distracted, they don't look for motorcycles, then say "I never saw him".
Well yeah, cause you didn't look......
Speed and lack of proper experience causes most of the other accidents.

When I am driving somewhere, if I see a motorcycle, I keep one eye on it at all times because you can never tell what they are going to do. I can't tell you how many times I have had a motorcycle change lanes in front of me w/o looking back or giving a signal of any type. I can't tell you how many times I've seen motorcycles weaving in and out of traffic. As soon as I see a motorcycle anywhere near me, I watch them like a hawk.

Back in the spring, I was going up the right hand lane of the hwy with a vehicle in the left hand lane, less than a car length ahead of me. Out of nowhere a motorcycle flies up beside me, directly behind the other vehicle, then w/o slowing down or any hesitation cuts over in front of me in that less-than-a-car-length space. He then proceeds to fly off down the hwy swerving in and out around the other vehicles and was gone before I could blink thrice. It scared me to death, when he cut in front of me he was right on my bumper, I could not even see his back tire. I bet he wasn't 6" off my bumper. If he had bobbled or hit a bit of junk and gone down, I would have run right over him with no way or time to stop. Then the police would have blamed me and I would be facing criminal charges and who knows what. I was nauseated the rest of the day, just thinking about what could have happened.

I have a friend that goes to a cattle auction in MS and comes back down the interstate in a dually diesel truck hauling a loaded 24' cattle trailer. She tells me that invariably there will be folks on ninja type bikes zipping in and out all around them and other traffic, with no thought on their mind that my friend can't stop a truckload of cattle on a dime.

I have no problem with someone riding a motorcycle if they want. After all, it's a free country (for now). But I really get tired, as a vehicle driver, of being blamed (in general terms) for all the motorcycle accidents but nothing is ever said about the careless motorcycle drivers that zip in and around vehicles as though nothing can ever happen. They should realize that they are not action heroes, they can't lay down a bike then walk off like nothing ever happened.

I must add that I have seen plenty of safe cautious motorcycle riders, this isn't directed at them.

salmonslayer · #57 07/10/12, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Lol salmonslayer who are you ranting against? I don't think anyone said you shouldn't ride them? Personally, like I said before, you should be free to do whatever you want with your life. I don't think we should try to save everyone from themselves and keep everyone "safe."

The illusion of "safety" is being used to orchestrate the stripping of our rights and will be the downfall of this country imo.

Totally agree with you Cliff; my mostly tongue in cheek post was for the "oooh motorcycles are dangerous I would never ride one" crowd. If you dont want to ride great, why bother with what those of us who do wear? Your not paying my medical and I am an organ donor so someone may get lucky!

I have had two serious accidents both when I was young and one when I was competitively racing and a guard rail jumped out in the middle of the track at me so I have felt the pain of road rash and in my case a lot more serious injuries. I had three motorcycles when we moved from Alaska a couple years ago including a Harley drag bike that had nitrous and the Mrs made me promise not to get another one so I have been mostly content with tractors since. But the other day I got the urge to go fast again and bought a hod rod pickup with a small block V8 that has been mildly tweaked...now I am tweaking it some more!

I think you either get riding or you dont....my wife had a T-top Corvette and a Kawasaki Ninja when we started dating and now we are grandparents and supposedly more sensible..but we arent dead yet and we like to have fun.

beowoulf90 · #58 07/10/12, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

Now see, that would not be an example of a medical person's sense of humor - at least not anyone I know. I don't know how to explain the difference exactly, but maybe because it sort of pokes fun at the victim?

I never claimed it as a medical persons humor.. Just sick humor that medical persons claim they don't do..

It's all in the eye of the beholder.. you claim that you call motorcycles, donorcycles.. Yet you don't claim other sick humor..

Funny how that works...

Again all in the eye of the beholder...

ErinP · #59 07/10/12, 09:45 AM

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True the horses & bicycles aren't 65 mph, but the cars around them are..
So you are telling me that a horse or bicycle are safer, just because they aren't going as fast... You better rethink that or keep them off the roads..

I DO...
Most people do. It's the rare corner of the US that has horses on a highway...

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No the State doesn't care if you live or die, nor do they care if we the tax payer has to fork over more money to care for "vegetables".. They just want control over people.. It makes them feel powerful!

I realize some folks have this idea that "government" has some kind of nefarious control-plot going on, but it really is nothing more than money.
The Amish on the highway is a perfect example. If "the government" were really out to control everything, they would be required to wear helmets or seat belts (or not even have buggies on the roads.)
On the other hand, they aren't a drain on the economic system either as welfare recipients once they're in a limited state after an accident, or higher insurance costs that are passed on to other motorists...
So they're allowed to risk themselves and their families.

Like I said, The State doesn't give a rodents patoot if you live or die. They only care if you're costing us money.

beowoulf90 · #60 07/10/12, 09:49 AM

Oh just another note to those that think motorcyclists who are severely injured sponge off the taxpayers.. Here in PA we can't take part of the CAT Fund (catastrophic accident fund). There is a "tax" added to speeding tickets etc for this fund, and for a while was added to those on motorcycles who got tickets. But that was changed since we aren't allowed to access those funds because we are on a motorcycle. So if we get a speeding ticket (while on a motorcycle) we no longer have to pay that "tax"...