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Old 06/29/12, 07:29 PM
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Nope his tractor became a business tax loss Lots here went broke here odds are he was broke a long time back some just wont stop and do a honest accounting .What would you have to make or clear to owe $75 k in taxes . I smell a rat
Lot's of farmers around here owed over $75k in taxes this year because of O&G lease signing bonuses. And yes, lots of folks made capital investments for tax purposes - myself included. Now don't get me wrong, I've been needing a new tractor. I've had a 1952 8n (It's for sale by the way) but it just wasn't sufficient/efficient for our property. Now I have a 50 hp tractor and it is like a different universe. The bonus depreciation was just the icing on the cake. Is it wrong to fall in love with a frontend loader?

I expect a lot of folks will finance their purchases and potentially run into problems that way.

Anyhoo, I'm surprised that not a single person suggested that the OP look at IRS publication 225 - farmers tax guide which can be found at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p225.pdf

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Old 06/29/12, 07:47 PM
 
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Lot's of farmers around here owed over $75k in taxes this year because of O&G lease signing bonuses. And yes, lots of folks made capital investments for tax purposes - myself included. Now don't get me wrong, I've been needing a new tractor. I've had a 1952 8n (It's for sale by the way) but it just wasn't sufficient/efficient for our property. Now I have a 50 hp tractor and it is like a different universe. The bonus depreciation was just the icing on the cake. Is it wrong to fall in love with a frontend loader?

I expect a lot of folks will finance their purchases and potentially run into problems that way.

Anyhoo, I'm surprised that not a single person suggested that the OP look at IRS publication 225 - farmers tax guide which can be found at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p225.pdf

Mike
WOW! That is a very helpful publication. thanks!
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Old 06/29/12, 09:54 PM
 
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One area that is hard to understand of the Schedule F form, is the Section 179 area, though it really behooves small farmers, and large farmers alike to understand it. Rapid depreciation is really a tool that can be used, and Congress likes to toy with that to accelerate or slow the economy. You can use that to your advantage. I am just a small farm, and yet I have used it almost every year...
Remember several years ago when the Section 179 depreciation was boosted to 50K and at the same time qualifying items were vehicles with a GVWR of 8?K lbs was added? Many people bought Hummers solely because they could take the full purchase price off their taxes?
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Old 06/29/12, 09:56 PM
 
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Depreciation is real.

Most assets break-down over time.

If an item would naturally rust apart over 30-years then you subtract 1/30 of it's cost each year.

Each year's repair and maintenance costs to keep that equipment running is accounted as boosts to it's 'cost-basis'.

So each year, each piece of equipment depreciates and each year each piece of equipment also has a boost in cost-basis.

These are real world expenses, and they are tax write-offs.

It is not a trap.



'Spending $2 to save $1' is a strawman. [edited] There may be some who do this, but not all who use depreciation do that.

If you need a tractor, then buy a tractor. But like anything it will need repair work. You will need to spend your money on it's maintenance anyway even without the tax implications. Depreciation is a method whereby those expenses can come off your AGI.


I do not spend one penny 'extra' on anything simply to be able to depreciate on my taxes. I do use depreciation, and it does save me tax money.
What accounting method are you using for this scenario? Accrual?

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