What happened to Seven/Sevin?

Good one! The local feed store here stopped carrying it last year and said they werent making it anymore also. I wonder if there was some sort of bad info put out that either was totally erroneous or just misunderstood.

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Vern, you use sevin, or something, here or you will
grow no cabbage, beans or peas.
So what you reccomend?
And I do keep bees.

Thanks everyone. Either the clerk was not really paying attention or she just wanted to sell me something on the shelf. All I wanted was something to kill aphids. In another thread people are suggesting garlic or pepper. Might try and garlic first.

Thank you.

[[[[......I have a hard time understanding why small home gardeners feel the need to use insecticide or fungicide for that matter......]]]]]

I use it because I would actually like to get some fruit for all my time and money invested. I have a hard time understanding what is so hard to understand about that concept.

If you don't want to use it, that is your choice. Maybe you don't need any sprays where you live. But it is not your right to dictate what everyone else in the country does with their home garden.

I can get away with spraying the apple trees and not the other fruit trees. But there is absolutely no way to get apples without spraying. Occasionally, the grape vines need some fungus spray, but not very often. It's my choice and my right to spray occasionally. Thinking about it, I probably don't care that you don't understand, so I don't know why I am bothering.

And for one thing those that say it is so dangerous and then use the active ingredients That they have either seen on the net or looked it up.
But some get the Commercial and Industrial use as the same as you buy down at your local Ace Hardware.
Far far from it.
The commercial grade is 45% that Carbaryl stuff.
For Home Use and what is most available to home owners is 5%~!!!
5% is far far from the strong Commercial and Industrial use for that insecticide at 45%.
And now lets see how long has Sevin been on the market for home use? 20 years 40 years nope it is even longer then that.
. Consumers have trusted Sevin for 50 years.
So if this was so toxic to bees in a 50 year period it should have killed off all bees in this country.
But it hasn't, and not one case of bees dying have been attributed to Sevin. Not at least for the scientific group of folks that is, only the fringe groups that seem to find trouble in any man made helpers for the garden or crops.

Well if someone calls a 10X20 plot a garden, then OK.
I got an acre and a half planted already, and 2 more
acres to go. I'm all ears. Tell me what to use?

Malathion. Not as hard on bees. Spray up in the day, after the most of the bees have gone to the hive for the day. Or, Bt.

The agricultural grade is 80%.

And the home use is at 5%.
Still Way different then using something of that strength.

There is (or was) a rock band called Sevendust. From what I've heard of them, putting a CD on near the garden would probably scare off all the bugs.

Funny this topic came up. I was talking to a lady co-worker the other day about gardens. She's "trying again", first time in several years though. She was discouraged before because of bugs eating up her tomatoes. She asked what I used, and i told her "Well, after trying all kinds of stuff, I got tired of not having any food for the time I was putting into taking care of my garden." (she's shaking her head in agreement here) "So, I decided I'll use Sevin. Didn't kill Grandpa and Grandma."
She was almost offended I told her that...

Vern, I respect your right to your opinion. I don't respect the expectation that others will agree. I also consider your admission that you find it "hard to understand". This alone causes me to consider the quality and value of any other opinion you have. What must the mental capacity of a person be that cannot seem to understand why a gardener would choose to use insecticides. I personally have little trouble understanding there thought process. Bugs eat plants, poison kills bugs. To me it is actually very simple. IF someone truly has difficulties in understanding that then I am pretty inclined to ignore much of anything else they have to say. Otherwise what you are really saying is you can't understand why everyone does not do what you woudl do, or in this case not do. The answer to that is that they disagree with you. Hope that helps sort out some of your confusion.

I think someone was having a funny on you. I bought a 1 lb can of 5% the other day. Was sold in 3-5lb bags last I bought some. 1lb should last me...

In the South and CO I was able to get 10%. In bags 5- 25lb.

Everyone seems to be pushing the liquid version.

Good luck, and don't nuke the good bugs.

I think she was just trying to make a sale and did not have the Sevin. We decided to use the Safer Soap and also mixed up the garlic with soap too. When we planted the tomatoes, we just gave them a good bath and we will see how it goes.

Thanks everyone.

Sevin is a "broad-spectrum" insecticide. That means it kills a big variety of bugs, good and bad. If you kill off your good bugs you will have to work harder since you have to do what they were doing too. I think it's better to find out exactly what bug is doing the damage and apply some chemical or procedure to eliminate just that one species. JMHO

You can't find the big bags on the shelves around here also. Last year I was having a hard time locating any and I was told that Seven will no longer exist and that it was bought out and will be sold under a new name. Also, it will no longer be 7 percent carbyll but will be reduced down to 5 percent. New law governing the product to the public. How true all this is, I don't know. I just know that last year the only thing I could find came in a small shaker can and cost about as much as the big bag I use to buy.

Even tho I'm still using the last of my original seven dust, I vowel to start using the liquid version cause it does make sense to spray it in the afternoon when most all the bees have gone back to thier hives. This gives the spray a chance to dry on the leaves and hopefully the bees will carry very little of it back to the hive.

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I think that the confusion is due to it being sold as generic carbaryl. I didn't see Sevin at local garden center today but did see two insecticides which had carbaryl as their active ingredient. Fertilome has their product and I think that the other was Bonide. As with Roundup, perhaps the original Sevin patent expired. An Internet search shows a lot of offers for carbaryl with no mention of Sevin. In defense of store clerks, if one didn't know that they were the same, one might easily assume that one is no longer available. To be truthful, I first used Sevin for dog flea control around 1984 but never knew what it really was until a few years ago.

Martin

If you gotta have Sevin,its here with free shipping.They also have granules and dust,but as Paquebot said, Carbaryl is the same thing if you can find it,like Fertilome.Just look at the ingredients, usually they are just underneath or beside the label.If you see the word carbaryl,just think Sevin in desquise.

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Was I absent from school the day the teacher insisted lack of understanding resulted ONLY from diminished mental capacity.

MHO? 2 instances of poorly chosen words.

Thanks Eddie Buck for the link. We are taking the product Eight back and getting money back. It was my own fault and I should not have listened to the sales clerk. I found some Safer Soap spray and we are giving it a try first. Thank you for the link.

Thanks everyone.