Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule

CountryWannabe · #41 04/25/12, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelDigger

I got up at 7 am on weekends and every day during the summer to work in my Dad's chicken houses. Helped with the hogs, the horses, the cows, the garden. Helped wth the cannng, etc. I got my work ethic from WORKING as a kid.

Every two weeks my grand daughter comes to visit with me. She is 13, we go to the feed store for bagged feed and hay, she helps unload. She feeds and waters all the animals here, and helps me with anything else that needs doing - gardening, weeding, even fencing. She works darned hard the entire time.

She is saving the money I pay her to visit our family in England later this year. She is learning the value of working for what she wants. I am very proud of her and her work ethic.

Mary

Wags · #42 04/26/12, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

Conspiracy Alert:

You don't suppose they want to replace all the kids with illegal immigrants, who they can amnesty, and get to vote democrat do you?

Just a thought.

I thought of that too - gov trying to create a "demand" for illegals. Then they give 'em amnesty and viola - more demo voters.

Gov already put a stop to kids picking in the field at 12yrs old (I started before then) and then they said they couldn't be out picking until 14-16yrs old. And then they added in that they had to be paid minimum wage no matter who much they didn't actually work..... and pretty soon crops were rotting in the field because their weren't any pickers.

If a kid doesn't learn to work by the time they are 12, they are more or less a lost cause when it comes to teaching a strong work ethic. And you certainly won't find them out picking, hoeing or doing other menial labor where you traditionally get paid by the pound, flat or row.

Sandi · #43 04/26/12, 04:06 AM

i agree with all the complaints about the impact this regulation would have the way it was originally designed. i didn't grow up on a farm but i started working at 14 and it was a totally formative experience.

i don't usually engage the political debates, and this is just me putting my own addition out there as others are doing--i don't think it's any more or less valuable so hopefully it won't cause offense. i think our whole society would be better off if we were all willing to be thoughtful and avoid "never" and "always" as a general rule.

there are a lot of things our particular government doesn't do very well, many things it does too much of, etc. but one thing i always talk about with my political science students is that the very concept of private property requires the existence of government. the very first "markets" were places for barter, trade, and sale and these only functioned when security was provided--originally usually by a king or lord. with no government at all, the strongest would simply take all. this happens quite a bit anyway, but would be the law of the land with no system of government of any kind. without government, those of us receiving social security, medicare, disability, unemployment would have nothing. without government we could not protect ourselves when attacked by terrorists or foreign countries, would have no roads for the transport of farm goods--this is the classic "free rider" problem that no private person wants to provide these things that there is no way to keep the whole community from benefiting from, no matter if people helped pay for it or not. banks wouldn't guarantee loans without government regulation. safety regulations have impacted how our farm equipment is built and how safe it is for us to use. a victim of domestic violence would have no resources besides what she could scrape up for herself or her children.

i'm not saying that government always does these things well, and there are things it does that it shouldn't do, but the reality is that very few of us actually want to live in a society with no government. we all have different ideas about how much and what type of things it should do and of course we should express those ideas and vote for the changes we want to see. very few things are all or nothing, and i tend to think government is one of those. there are a lot of things that are done better and worse for homesteaders, families, children, and communities in other states or other countries and these are differences in type of government. we don't have to limit ourselves to all or nothing, we can also keep working to make government be what we need and, as we all here are doing so beautifully, trying to need less from the government in general.

i know that was a long two cents, thanks for listening

xCSx · #44 04/26/12, 05:26 AM

Limited government, not no government, is the way to go.

TnAndy · #45 04/26/12, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by willow_girl

Romney's pledge to overturn all the meddlesome regulations imposed by the Obama administration is looking better and better all the time ...

Yeah, but more likely he won't. There is virtually no difference in the two except a label.

Callieslamb · #46 04/26/12, 06:36 AM

If govt funds pay the medical expenses when someone gets hurt they get to call the shots.

Cliff · #47 04/26/12, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TnAndy

Yeah, but more likely he won't. There is virtually no difference in the two except a label.

This. The same agenda is in place no matter the political party. Parties are just good for keeping people fussing and fighting and distracted. Please lets don't start fighting about Obama or Romney.
Who was the first to say "New World Order" on national television?

Bush Sr.

Jim-mi · #48 04/26/12, 08:17 AM

These idiots who dream up this stuff I know for a fact are smoking that illegal substance...........

Therefore I suggest they be sent to the Iron Hotel for at least 10 years......

And of course they would be cut off cold turkey from the cloud nine drugs..........

goobermint go away . . . .far away.............

Tracy Rimmer · #49 04/26/12, 08:19 AM

They're getting more and more overt about governing how people parent. They wouldn't have a reason to do that if more people actually acted like parents.

Tracy Rimmer · #50 04/26/12, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by springvalley

I find it so very hard to believe the good people of this great country of ours have not figured out what is happening, and started to revolt in the streets.

It's a boiled frog, my friend. People are too distracted by American Idol and their frequent trips to WalMart to see much of anything. By the time the water gets uncomfortably hot, they'll be too far gone to climb out.

Forerunner · #51 04/26/12, 08:33 AM

I think it's cool how Tracy Rimmer shows up in moderator bold when she's perusing a thread, while the other mods watch us from camouflage.

Cliff · #52 04/26/12, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy Rimmer

They're getting more and more overt about governing how people parent. They wouldn't have a reason to do that if more people actually acted like parents.

Unfortunately when you take generations of children away from their parents and give them to the government to raise in public schools this is what you get. We have been manipulated by government for longer than most people realize.

nduetime · #53 04/26/12, 08:37 AM

Today is "Take your Child To Work Day". Guess what? my 12 year old grandson is spreading manure as we speak. He is here to help out all day and do a report for school. True, we not only have the homestead but a legitimate business as well, nevertheless, just try to tell him he cannot work. Go ahead...I double dog dare ya. This kid lives for the farm. He loves it and says he feels better here than anywhere else. it is in his blood and in his head.

BTW: We use a ATV and small spreader. He is not out on a tractor without supervision. Just saying...

secretcreek · #54 04/26/12, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TxAprilMagic

There has never been nor will there ever be a "revised for the better" when it comes to ANY GOVERNMENT involvement in our lives, rural or city.
All they are doing is appeasing the angry, outspoken parents for the time being. THIS IS ONLY A STEPPING STONE TO MORE CONTROL[/B].
So LOL all you want til it hits home; Then lets see how much you are laughing out loud.

They throw out a huge-over -the -top -plan, and wait for the uproar. Then they back off until the anger disapates and then they find a way to sneak it in under the nose of the sleeping "sheep'.

Maybe it's been dumbed down from it's extravagent goals, but it'll still stretch and reach much farther than what ever the norm used to be.

That trick is called an "Overton Window" . You'll notice it when you are "so happy" to only pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas since it used to be over $4.00...but do you remember when $2.00 a gallon of gas was outrageous??? Yeah... Overton Window.

DamnearaFarm · #55 04/26/12, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by City Bound

I did not agree with forcing kids to wear helmits( I was pizzed off about this, but I do not have any kids. If i had kids I would have been more in the mood to fight back), I still do not agree about cars seats and booster seats (all of us here grew up without them and we are still here to tell the tale), and I do not think the gov can make us wear seat belts.

Even forcing kids to go to highschool is a joke. All the education people had, other then the basics, did not really help them in real life

Exactly. You have no children. If you had any, you'd do anything you could to protect them. I don't agree with the farm 'law' but I danged sure agree with helmets and seat belts/carseats.

Um...... not everyone who didn't wear a seat belt or ride in a car seat is 'here to tell the tale'

ronbre · #56 04/26/12, 12:17 PM

I can't understand why 50 % of americans still plan to vote for Deomcrats

Cliff · #57 04/26/12, 12:24 PM

I have issues with all the safety legislation. We are protecting a nation of morons from injuring themselves

Survival of the fittest is out the window now days - same with medical care - people who wouldn't have lived to reproduce 50 years ago are pampered along and passing on defective genes like mad now.

BUT children that have moronic parents shouldn't have to suffer from lack of use of seat belts and helmets... And if my child needed medical care or equipment or drugs just to survive I would absolutely insist on every possible treatment unless things were clearly hopeless. I would hope that the child wouldn't reproduce and pass it to their children if that was a risk, but what are you going to do? That's a very slippery slope - but one that I think will absolutely be addressed in at least my child's lifetime. Like it or not we are populating ourselves out of a place to live.

Sorry for rambling

xCSx · #58 04/26/12, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbre

I can't understand why 50 % of americans still plan to vote for Deomcrats

They need the gov assistance.

Txrider · #59 04/26/12, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by secretcreek

They throw out a huge-over -the -top -plan, and wait for the uproar. Then they back off until the anger disapates and then they find a way to sneak it in under the nose of the sleeping "sheep'.

Maybe it's been dumbed down from it's extravagent goals, but it'll still stretch and reach much farther than what ever the norm used to be.

That trick is called an "Overton Window" . You'll notice it when you are "so happy" to only pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas since it used to be over $4.00...but do you remember when $2.00 a gallon of gas was outrageous??? Yeah... Overton Window.

I remember when $.50 gas was outrageous.

Txrider · #60 04/26/12, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RamblinRoseRanc

Um...... not everyone who didn't wear a seat belt or ride in a car seat is 'here to tell the tale'

Nor are all the folks who did wear one..