Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule

LonelyNorthwind · #21 04/25/12, 02:23 PM

I wonder how this affects the fishing industry. The schools even close in May here, when the fish are in, so the kids can deckhand for their parents.

City Bound · #22 04/25/12, 02:39 PM

I did not agree with forcing kids to wear helmits( I was pizzed off about this, but I do not have any kids. If i had kids I would have been more in the mood to fight back), I still do not agree about cars seats and booster seats (all of us here grew up without them and we are still here to tell the tale), and I do not think the gov can make us wear seat belts.

Even forcing kids to go to highschool is a joke. All the education people had, other then the basics, did not really help them in real life

salmonslayer · #23 04/25/12, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

My first thought is; People want government to protect the children from stupid parents until that protection effects them. No one had any problem with government forcing parents to make their kids wear bike helmets. After all it protects the kids. No one had any problem with the government forcing parents to put their kids in car seats. After all it protects the children. Why should these people have a problem with the government forcing parents to keep their kids from doing "dangerous" work? Add that to all the other stuff people have no problem with and this is just another thread in the rope being used to hang us.

Any more and we'll have to move to GC.

Not the same Watcher; your analogy would be appropriate if the government banned kids from riding bikes or riding in cars hich they didnt. This new law bans kids from doing certain things no matter how carefully supervised.

arabian knight · #24 04/25/12, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

I think your snark is unwarranted particularly when your wrong again. From the WHD website: "On February 1, 2012, the Department announced that it will re-propose the portion of its regulation on child labor in agriculture interpreting the "parental exemption." The parental exemption allows children of any age who are employed by their parent, or a person standing in the place of a parent, to perform any job on a farm owned or operated by their parent or such person standing in the place of a parent. The re-proposal process will seek comments and inputs as to how the department can comply with statutory requirements to protect children, while respecting rural traditions. The re-proposed portion of the rule is expected to be published for public comment by early summer. The department will continue to review the comments received regarding the remaining portions of the proposed rule for inclusion in a final rule."

They are going to be seeking public comment so it seems to me this was a timely post.

Here is a link: U.S. Department of Labor - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Child Labor - Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to Amend the Child Labor in Agriculture Regulations

No it was revised according to my post. The Date was in feb of 2012.
Not what that article refers to one that was made in 2011.
If t=you would click on the link in THAT article where it says Hfirst proposed
That takes you to what was released on[08/31/2011]

And that article never mentions that is has been revised early this year because of of the bad being said about it.

But the new revised version is what I posted and was released in Feb.

I forgot to Put the Link to what I quoted and bolded.
But the article in OP was written today~!
BUT they LINK it back to the Fall one that was written on [08/31/2011]

Here is revised version that I quoted from and posted about. Note The Date is was written. 2-01-2012

WHD News Release: US Labor Department to re-propose 'parental exemption' of child labor in agriculture rule [02/01/2012]

salmonslayer · #25 04/25/12, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

No it was revised according to my post. The Date was in feb of 2012.
Not what that article refers to one that was made in 2011.
If t=you would click on the link in THAT article where it says Hfirst proposed
That takes you to what was released on[08/31/2011]

And that article never mentions that is has been revised early this year because of of the bad being said about it.

But the new revised version is what I posted and was released in Feb.

I forgot to Put the Link to what I quoted and bolded.
But the article in OP was written today~!
BUT they LINK it back to the Fall one that was written on [08/31/2011]

Here is revised version that I quoted from and posted about. Note The Date is was written. 2-01-2012

WHD News Release: US Labor Department to re-propose 'parental exemption' of child labor in agriculture rule [02/01/2012]

AB, your still not grasping it. Your reference of 1 Feb 2012 is a re-proposal of their revised regulations and they are going to take public comment on that this summer. This is far from settled and I posted the link and the exact wording. Its been all over the news today for some reason.

RebelDigger · #26 04/25/12, 04:12 PM

At the age of 7 I knew how to drive a tractor and a pick up (although I am a girl, I was the only child at home so Dad had to have my help bringing in the hay. Until I was 12, I drove the truck cause I could not throw the bales on it). I got up at 7 am on weekends and every day during the summer to work in my Dad's chicken houses. Helped with the hogs, the horses, the cows, the garden. Helped wth the cannng, etc. I got my work ethic from WORKING as a kid. That is a large part of what is wrong with this country, so few people anymore have a good work ethic. My dad always told me, "give a man a fair day's work for a fair day's pay". A lesson I have remembered and followed all my life. Kid's nowadays, not so much--too coddled.

Ozarks Tom · #27 04/25/12, 04:31 PM

Conspiracy Alert:

You don't suppose they want to replace all the kids with illegal immigrants, who they can amnesty, and get to vote democrat do you?

Just a thought.

||Downhome|| · #28 04/25/12, 04:39 PM

If I'm not paying them its not employment!

If its not employment they can umm "Step off"!

Now if its the neighbor kids, I could just "gift" them some "money" for thier "gift" of "labor"
Their are work arounds...

Sometime its all in how you put it!

Cliff · #29 04/25/12, 04:40 PM

No I think they want us all living in cities and dependent on govt while agribusiness feeds us all. While we are independent minded and self sufficient we are hard to control. And there's that pesky clutching our bibles and guns problem...

poorboy · #30 04/25/12, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

Conspiracy Alert:

You don't suppose they want to replace all the kids with illegal immigrants, who they can amnesty, and get to vote democrat do you?

Just a thought.

Amnesty, shamesty,PHHHtttttt, why do you think they don't require a proper ID,.They've already allowed 'em to vote in the last election in lots of places...

FarmboyBill · #31 04/25/12, 04:42 PM

Cording to how i red the revisial Kids still couldnt work off the farm as I did when haying for the neighbors. Course, Whats there left for kids to do anymore. Dont ned them on the threshing ring. Dont need them bailing hay, Dont need them picking corn or cutting wood in winter.

They arent takeing any jobs away. There arent any to take.

watcher · #32 04/25/12, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

Not the same Watcher; your analogy would be appropriate if the government banned kids from riding bikes or riding in cars hich they didnt. This new law bans kids from doing certain things no matter how carefully supervised.

Wasn't trying to make an analogy just a point. People have turned over their kids safety to the government and now the government is going to ride that pony until it drops.

springvalley · #33 04/25/12, 05:13 PM

Most laws like this are made up by the ones it doesn`t effect, 98% of the population does not farm. Not sure on the percentage of Americans that homestead, but I`m sure it also is not that large. Some of the very few think they are making things better for children, and have no idea how much children do for family farms and homesteads. Things will start happening in this country one of these days, back certain people into a corner, they will come out fighting. Shot heard round the world will be an understatement. I find it so very hard to believe the good people of this great country of ours have not figured out what is happening, and started to revolt in the streets. It will happen, just when we don`t know, where we don`t know, but it will happen some time. > Thanks and God Bless America > Marc

salmonslayer · #34 04/25/12, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

Wasn't trying to make an analogy just a point. People have turned over their kids safety to the government and now the government is going to ride that pony until it drops.

Ah, got it and I agree.

Cliff · #35 04/25/12, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by springvalley

Most laws like this are made up by the ones it doesn`t effect, 98% of the population does not farm. Not sure on the percentage of Americans that homestead, but I`m sure it also is not that large. Some of the very few think they are making things better for children, and have no idea how much children do for family farms and homesteads. Things will start happening in this country one of these days, back certain people into a corner, they will come out fighting. Shot heard round the world will be an understatement. I find it so very hard to believe the good people of this great country of ours have not figured out what is happening, and started to revolt in the streets. It will happen, just when we don`t know, where we don`t know, but it will happen some time. > Thanks and God Bless America > Marc

Because the only news a lot of them get is from the mainstream media. But there are more people than you think that know what is going on - I've been surprised just this week by a couple people I've talked to that I would've never thought would've caught on. So the knowledge is spreading and simmering - who knows what will happen next.

BobbyB · #36 04/25/12, 09:02 PM

I can only imagine how much anyone would learn attending a 90 hour course taught by a federal bureaucrat ..

They could learn more at a 4H play day or a FFA field trip, but, that wont work any mre if this goes thru.

City Bound · #37 04/25/12, 09:02 PM

This is just one small step to get food production out of the hands of real people and into the hands of the gov and corporations. If they can control the means of food production they can control the people. It starts small. They chip away what they can until the whole structure is weak, then they can just topple it over.

What is next, kids can not do chores at home? Will it be a crime to make a kid make his bed and clean his room?

Dragonid · #38 04/25/12, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff

...banning farm chores.

Child Labor Laws | Farming | Department of Labor | The Daily Caller

The proposed legislation has nothing to do with kids at their own home/farm. It's about bringing child labor laws related to operating machinery and handling chemicals for hire on someone else's farm up to the same standary that every other industry is held to. This is not about chores, or learning the farming way of life from your parent/uncle/granfather, that is unaffected.

I can only presume the title and leading lines of the article are purposefully misleading.

Ed Norman · #39 04/25/12, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonid

The proposed legislation has nothing to do with kids at their own home/farm. It's about bringing child labor laws related to operating machinery and handling chemicals for hire on someone else's farm up to the same standary that every other industry is held to. This is not about chores, or learning the farming way of life from your parent/uncle/granfather, that is unaffected.

I can only presume the title and leading lines of the article are purposefully misleading.

I grew up working on other people's farms. Most of my friends worked on someone else's farms. The kids who had their own farm often got hired by the neighbor to run a baler all night, etc.

And the way I read it, you can't work for your uncle or grandpa, they aren't your parents.

Dragonid · #40 04/25/12, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Norman

I grew up working on other people's farms. Most of my friends worked on someone else's farms. The kids who had their own farm often got hired by the neighbor to run a baler all night, etc.

And the way I read it, you can't work for your uncle or grandpa, they aren't your parents.

Unless you were making so much that you felt compelled to file taxes as a kid, and you were considered an "employee", it still wouldn't stop you.

US Labor Department proposes updates to child labor regulations The original new release for the proposal.

Five Facts about the Proposed Child Labor in Agriculture Rule Their answers to the concerned responses to the proposal.

Here's a less inflamatory response to the proposal than the article in the OP.